FistOfOakley wrote:trying to get back on topic instead of another melo slurp fest....

the mavs have beat the heat twice, so have the celtics.

these are the points in the paint the heat have gotten in those games:

24, 30, 26, 26

against us

56 and 46

lebron, wade and bosh turn into ordinary players when they shoot 20 footers.

you need bigs who defend paint to win in playoffs, and especially to beat Heat. Knicks got dominated.

martin wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:trying to get back on topic instead of another melo slurp fest....

the mavs have beat the heat twice, so have the celtics.

these are the points in the paint the heat have gotten in those games:

24, 30, 26, 26

against us

56 and 46

lebron, wade and bosh turn into ordinary players when they shoot 20 footers.

you need bigs who defend paint to win in playoffs, and especially to beat Heat. Knicks got dominated.

our interior d sucks. sometimes we swarm and come up with a steal, but once anyone is inside of 10 feet you can count it.

i know there was a period where amear was scoring 30 and blocking 4 or so per game but that was not sustainable. same with felton. on that 13-1 streak those guys were just playing out of their minds.

it's going to be a season of streaks, just gotta hope they can peak in the playoffs.

BlueSeats wrote:

martin wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:trying to get back on topic instead of another melo slurp fest....

the mavs have beat the heat twice, so have the celtics.

these are the points in the paint the heat have gotten in those games:

24, 30, 26, 26

against us

56 and 46

lebron, wade and bosh turn into ordinary players when they shoot 20 footers.

you need bigs who defend paint to win in playoffs, and especially to beat Heat. Knicks got dominated.

our interior d sucks. sometimes we swarm and come up with a steal, but once anyone is inside of 10 feet you can count it.

i know there was a period where amear was scoring 30 and blocking 4 or so per game but that was not sustainable. same with felton. on that 13-1 streak those guys were just playing out of their minds.

it's going to be a season of streaks, just gotta hope they can peak in the playoffs.

how about this statement: I think against 80% of the league, starting Amear, Chandler, Gallo and running the SSOL offense can get you a win and overcome the lack on bigs, rebounding and interior defense. Against the likes of Miami, Chi (with Noah), ORL, BOS, probably Atlanta when their heads are screwed on right, SAS, DAL, LAL... that won't work.

When I saw Turiaf out there I was not impressed and didn't think that starting him would have helped much (Big Z still dominates him).

FistOfOakley wrote:trying to get back on topic instead of another melo slurp fest....

the mavs have beat the heat twice, so have the celtics.

these are the points in the paint the heat have gotten in those games:

24, 30, 26, 26

against us

56 and 46

lebron, wade and bosh turn into ordinary players when they shoot 20 footers.

so basically you seem to be implying that we need a big, physical defensive bigman downlow (correct me if i'm wrong)... only problem is, MDA usually likes to play Amare at the C position & wants his 4 to be able to knock down a 3.

TMS wrote:

so basically you seem to be implying that we need a big, physical defensive bigman downlow (correct me if i'm wrong)... only problem is, MDA usually likes to play Amare at the C position & wants his 4 to be able to knock down a 3.

in order to beat the heat yes you're gonna need that option.

i don't think it's right to speculate where d'antoni prefers to play amar'e. he started mozgov and turiaf at the 5 all those games because he wanted amar'e at the 4. he started the ymca guy a bunch of games with the suns before he said f it, i'm throwing my most talented guys out there regardless of what their traditional position is. it just so happens he's never had a big man to complement amar'e with. most teams don't. but if he did i bet you he'd start.

whoever this big guy would be, he doesn't need to be tim duncan or kevin garnett. it's obvioius that having chandler at the 4 makes us pretty good offensively so you don't want to keep that lineup off the floor too often. when we can't run the pace we want, you have to have some options to slow the other team down. marion was perfect for d'antoni because even at the 4 he had a top 5 rebounding rate and he can challenge shots because of his athleticism. chandler's not quite that player and that's why it's been a consistent problem.

it's not only against the heat. it's every team that gets easy buckets around the rim against us.

CrushAlot wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:right now shawne williams is backing up chandler at the 4 and that's just compounding the problem. we have 2 different lineups, small and smaller.

i'm fine with being able to beat most teams who don't have the frontcourt to matchup with us defensively and make us pay on the offensive end. long term though either chandler needs to start rebounding like shawn marion or amar'e needs someone to help him out because he is obviously not gonna anchor that defense and the boards.

I agree and I think both things need to happen. The problem is acquiring a big that D'Antoni trusts enough to play alongside Amare that plays like a traditional big.

if jesus christ came back as a 6'10 big that could rebound but not shoot the three mda would bench the son of god.

cheers wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:right now shawne williams is backing up chandler at the 4 and that's just compounding the problem. we have 2 different lineups, small and smaller.

i'm fine with being able to beat most teams who don't have the frontcourt to matchup with us defensively and make us pay on the offensive end. long term though either chandler needs to start rebounding like shawn marion or amar'e needs someone to help him out because he is obviously not gonna anchor that defense and the boards.

I agree and I think both things need to happen. The problem is acquiring a big that D'Antoni trusts enough to play alongside Amare that plays like a traditional big.

if jesus christ came back as a 6'10 big that could rebound but not shoot the three mda would bench the son of god.

Yup. And then when asked, "why didn't you play the son of god?" he'd say, "who?" Now THAT'S self-confidence.

cheers wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:right now shawne williams is backing up chandler at the 4 and that's just compounding the problem. we have 2 different lineups, small and smaller.

i'm fine with being able to beat most teams who don't have the frontcourt to matchup with us defensively and make us pay on the offensive end. long term though either chandler needs to start rebounding like shawn marion or amar'e needs someone to help him out because he is obviously not gonna anchor that defense and the boards.

I agree and I think both things need to happen. The problem is acquiring a big that D'Antoni trusts enough to play alongside Amare that plays like a traditional big.

if jesus christ came back as a 6'10 big that could rebound but not shoot the three mda would bench the son of god.