BRIGGS wrote:If given 38 + minutes not much difference between carmelo and Wilson all around game.

Knicks need a quality big off the bench--thats what we need. If you added Paul Millsap to the bench for 28 minutes--wed be 15-3--that is the differential. Carmelo can take his 25m his headband and go to NJ--this is a good team but we need another quality big guy.

Briggs- how awesome would we look with Brook Lopez at the 5?

We don't need Melo- I think you'd agree we'd be better off adding a piece like a Marc Gasol or Chris Paul to our current core. We have wings that can score. Yes, it would be nice to have a player that can create their own shot- but it seems Mike can find wing players that fill his system easier than center or PG.

And honestly, our biggest, most glaring hole, no offense to Landry 'Impact' Fields, we need a pure SG more than a high volume SF.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If given 38 + minutes not much difference between carmelo and Wilson all around game.

Knicks need a quality big off the bench--thats what we need. If you added Paul Millsap to the bench for 28 minutes--wed be 15-3--that is the differential. Carmelo can take his 25m his headband and go to NJ--this is a good team but we need another quality big guy.

Briggs- how awesome would we look with Brook Lopez at the 5?

We don't need Melo- I think you'd agree we'd be better off adding a piece like a Marc Gasol or Chris Paul to our current core. We have wings that can score. Yes, it would be nice to have a player that can create their own shot- but it seems Mike can find wing players that fill his system easier than center or PG.

And honestly, our biggest, most glaring hole, no offense to Landry 'Impact' Fields, we need a pure SG more than a high volume SF.

Why is SG our most glaring hole?

Someone like OJ Mayo would really help.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Last I heard Denver wanted no part of any kind of package the Knicks could put together. That could change come trade deadline depending on how Denver's doing and how they gauge their chances of getting Melo extended.

Debating on whether it's worth trading package XYZ for Melo and whether that price is justified or too high, while fun, might be pointless, no?

i'm all for sweating denver on this. it's the perfect situation since we're in a win-win. we either get him for nothing or we avoid gutting our team in a poor trade.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

If thats the case then fine... Melo would be the 2nd best player on our roster, no doubt.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

I don't offer Denver anything more than what we have to give up in the off season- which I think is Curry & Chandler if we are signing him outright. Take it or leave it - maybe add in a 2nd rounder.

Now- Denver might be asking more- will they get it? They actually could lose him for nothing. Yes, its Chandler for Melo in a way, and no, that's not fair- but he is a good, 2 way player- young and they can see for themselves if they can win with him vs. Melo.

But I don't think I even want melo at that price. Rather keep Chandler at a reasonable price.

The trick is to get rid of Gallo the dude is to inconsistent with his shooting. Rather keep Chandler. At least he has an all around game and seems to fit MDA system better than Gallo. I personally think that the deal to be made will be Gallo/AR and fillers nothing more. After all they could lose Melo for nothing in FA. The reason I would shoot for a trade is so Melo comes in with an extension on his contract and this allows the Knicks to retain Chandler with his bird rights.

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

If thats the case then fine... Melo would be the 2nd best player on our roster, no doubt.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

I don't offer Denver anything more than what we have to give up in the off season- which I think is Curry & Chandler if we are signing him outright. Take it or leave it - maybe add in a 2nd rounder.

Now- Denver might be asking more- will they get it? They actually could lose him for nothing. Yes, its Chandler for Melo in a way, and no, that's not fair- but he is a good, 2 way player- young and they can see for themselves if they can win with him vs. Melo.

But I don't think I even want melo at that price. Rather keep Chandler at a reasonable price.

The trick is to get rid of Gallo the dude is to inconsistent with his shooting. Rather keep Chandler. At least he has an all around game and seems to fit MDA system better than Gallo. I personally think that the deal to be made will be Gallo/AR and fillers nothing more. After all they could lose Melo for nothing in FA. The reason I would shoot for a trade is so Melo comes in with an extension on his contract and this allows the Knicks to retain Chandler with his bird rights.

And your proof of this is where?

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

If thats the case then fine... Melo would be the 2nd best player on our roster, no doubt.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

I don't offer Denver anything more than what we have to give up in the off season- which I think is Curry & Chandler if we are signing him outright. Take it or leave it - maybe add in a 2nd rounder.

Now- Denver might be asking more- will they get it? They actually could lose him for nothing. Yes, its Chandler for Melo in a way, and no, that's not fair- but he is a good, 2 way player- young and they can see for themselves if they can win with him vs. Melo.

But I don't think I even want melo at that price. Rather keep Chandler at a reasonable price.

The trick is to get rid of Gallo the dude is to inconsistent with his shooting. Rather keep Chandler. At least he has an all around game and seems to fit MDA system better than Gallo. I personally think that the deal to be made will be Gallo/AR and fillers nothing more. After all they could lose Melo for nothing in FA. The reason I would shoot for a trade is so Melo comes in with an extension on his contract and this allows the Knicks to retain Chandler with his bird rights.

And your proof of this is where?

Do you need proof of a player who basically plays all positions in the system and produces on a night in and night out basis. Chandler is the better player its not even close. If Gallo's inconsistent jumper isn't falling you can pretty much put a guard on him and take him out of the equation. You put a guard on Chandler he is gonna punish that guard by taking him down low. Gallo doesn't do that he will hang and jack up threes. He just doesn't get it. He forget the formula of success. You think Gallo has it figured out and then he for some reason he abandons what brought him success.