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Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Portland Trailblazers - Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 7:30 PM EST
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tkf
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10/30/2010  11:05 PM
tough loss..

amare needs to stop forcing it from above the key..

felton needs to do better gettinghim the ball in good spots..

Gallo is useless right now. if he is hurt, sit him out. and the sad thing is we needed him with portland going zone..

Chandler is playing well, but just makes bad decisions in the 4th quarter of games...


fields is nice..

we should be 3-0

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10/30/2010  11:07 PM
oohah wrote:
nixluva wrote:Not sure what you're saying here, but the use of Chan off the bench is a GREAT move. When we finally get Gallo going and the team is even more settled in, it's gonna workout great having Chan be the 6th man and free to play like he's doing.

Why not start Chandler, who is way more versatile than Gallinari, and bring Gallinari off the bench as an instant-offense shooter?

oohah

Problem is he can't shoot. So much for instant offense.

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10/30/2010  11:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  11:09 PM
Vmart wrote:
oohah wrote:
nixluva wrote:Not sure what you're saying here, but the use of Chan off the bench is a GREAT move. When we finally get Gallo going and the team is even more settled in, it's gonna workout great having Chan be the 6th man and free to play like he's doing.

Why not start Chandler, who is way more versatile than Gallinari, and bring Gallinari off the bench as an instant-offense shooter?

oohah

Problem is he can't shoot. So much for instant offense.

If he can't shoot he shouldn't start...He offers nothing else...

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10/30/2010  11:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  11:11 PM
Vmart wrote:
Problem is he can't shoot. So much for instant offense.

Come on Vmart. Gallinari can shoot, if nothing else. But he is in a slump.

Instant offense guys get the quick hook when they are missing.

If Gallinari is making his shot: play him. If he is missing his shot - and is not contributing in other areas (Which I don't think he is ready to do yet.) then yank him.

That is the currently the strategy that makes proper use of Gallinari.

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10/30/2010  11:11 PM
I wouldn't go nuts on Felton yet...Pick and roll isn't hard to learn...A little film, practice, recognition and repetition...
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10/30/2010  11:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  11:14 PM
holfresh wrote:
Vmart wrote:
oohah wrote:
nixluva wrote:Not sure what you're saying here, but the use of Chan off the bench is a GREAT move. When we finally get Gallo going and the team is even more settled in, it's gonna workout great having Chan be the 6th man and free to play like he's doing.

Why not start Chandler, who is way more versatile than Gallinari, and bring Gallinari off the bench as an instant-offense shooter?

oohah

Problem is he can't shoot. So much for instant offense.

If he can't shoot he shouldn't start...He offers nothing else...

Gallo should be put out of his misery for the next week or so until his wrist or his head is right. The guy has a thousand excuses for sucking. Besides I believe it has more to do with Melo than his wrist the man is a basket case and his play shows it.

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10/30/2010  11:15 PM
holfresh wrote:I wouldn't go nuts on Felton yet...Pick and roll isn't hard to learn...A little film, practice, recognition and repetition...

Its harder than you think. They been at this since training camp a month ago still hasn't worked to perfection yet. Might take a long time for it to happen.

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10/30/2010  11:17 PM
holfresh wrote:I wouldn't go nuts on Felton yet...Pick and roll isn't hard to learn...A little film, practice, recognition and repetition...

Every player who has played AAU should understand the pick and roll. I can't stand hearing about guys who are in the pros, especially veteran players, needing "to learn the Pick & Roll".

The Pick & Roll, and the Give & Go are the wo most fundamental offensive plays in the game, and nobody who played in any kind of team setting at any level has an excuse not to know how they work.

I am not arguing with you Holfresh, I am just stating my opinion.

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10/30/2010  11:17 PM
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Its harder than you think. They been at this since training camp a month ago still hasn't worked to perfection yet. Might take a long time for it to happen.


Why is the pick and roll hard?

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10/30/2010  11:22 PM
THIS TEAM GOES...AS GALLO GOES.

Mark my words....for every good game Gallo has, our winning percentage goes up!

The same goes for his bad games.....percentage goes down.

Gallo should've been playing in crunch time.

For now, MDA needs to tweak his crunch time squad. They are too small, and causes multiple mismatches on defense.

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10/30/2010  11:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  11:28 PM
Good game for us. Only issue I see is Amare being forced to try to create for himself which is leading to TO's.
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10/30/2010  11:24 PM
oohah wrote:
holfresh wrote:I wouldn't go nuts on Felton yet...Pick and roll isn't hard to learn...A little film, practice, recognition and repetition...

Every player who has played AAU should understand the pick and roll. I can't stand hearing about guys who are in the pros, especially veteran players, needing "to learn the Pick & Roll".

The Pick & Roll, and the Give & Go are the wo most fundamental offensive plays in the game, and nobody who played in any kind of team setting at any level has an excuse not to know how they work.

I am not arguing with you Holfresh, I am just stating my opinion.

oohah

I know... the kid has zero recognition on the offensive end in terms of setting up players...I noticed that in preseason where he was giving Moz the ball at the top of the key...

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10/30/2010  11:28 PM
Good game? This is the same old franchise. Same old **** except they have some guys who block shots now. There is no difference in play. There is no offensive system whatseover. This team is not good and will continue to lose games if they play offense like they did today - particularly in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter.

I was there in section 225. I had a close centercourt seat to the live action and saw it all. I've been there in the past too. Today didn't seem different to me. Didn't seem like D'Antoni has any idea how to call plays for the team. Really getting tired of him and his damn accent and nonchalant approach to games. I am close to my limit with this coach.

What else is there to say? This is not a playoff team. Insult me and say I'm jumping the gun after 3 games. Right now this is not a playoff team. I know hat I've been seeing the past 2 games and what I saw tonight. I didn't see a playoff team.

I am sick and tired of the Knicks. I am sicked and tired of losing. I am sick and tired of the Knicks losing.

There are no more moral victories for me. We should've won that game. We didn't. That ****ing sucked.

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10/30/2010  11:29 PM
oohah wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Its harder than you think. They been at this since training camp a month ago still hasn't worked to perfection yet. Might take a long time for it to happen.


Why is the pick and roll hard?

oohah

Spacing is a factor and having options when running a pick and roll is a must. You run the pick and roll with a couple of plan just in case the play isn't executed to perfection and spacing is poor or defense has covered it. That is what makes Nash so good with Pick and roll, he could possibly run two or more plays because he was so creative and it keeps defenses off balance. Right now Felton is running the Pick and roll to run the pick and roll and the defense pretty much figured out that he is running the pick and roll and only the pick and roll. Its as though he has tunnel vision.

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10/30/2010  11:33 PM
It's so early and really I didn't expect the team to be playing this well so soon. But it is still very early and they aren't all the way there in every facet yet. I just don't wanna hear how a coach that OTHER coaches ask for help with offense, can't draw up a play. PLEASE! Go read SSOL and look at the plays and you'll see that we're still not using most of what the guy tries to run. We need more time to allow this team to absorb all of this stuff.

There's no reason that Felton should stink so bad at PnR except that he's not comfortable playing in traffic. He seems to avoid getting into the teeth of the defense unless he's barreling to the hoop. And when he does he's not looking for teammates or simply can't see them. He's only 6' tall and seems to have a problem seeing the court when he gets in the middle of the bigs. I just don't think he has a natural feel for what you need to do in a PnR offense, but he's got to learn.

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10/30/2010  11:34 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Good game? This is the same old franchise. Same old **** except they have some guys who block shots now. There is no difference in play. There is no offensive system whatseover. This team is not good and will continue to lose games if they play offense like they did today - particularly in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter.

I was there in section 225. I had a close centercourt seat to the live action and saw it all. I've been there in the past too. Today didn't seem different to me. Didn't seem like D'Antoni has any idea how to call plays for the team. Really getting tired of him and his damn accent and nonchalant approach to games. I am close to my limit with this coach.

What else is there to say? This is not a playoff team. Insult me and say I'm jumping the gun after 3 games. Right now this is not a playoff team. I know hat I've been seeing the past 2 games and what I saw tonight. I didn't see a playoff team.

I am sick and tired of the Knicks. I am sicked and tired of losing. I am sick and tired of the Knicks losing.

There are no more moral victories for me. We should've won that game. We didn't. That ****ing sucked.

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10/30/2010  11:35 PM
eViL wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Good game? This is the same old franchise. Same old **** except they have some guys who block shots now. There is no difference in play. There is no offensive system whatseover. This team is not good and will continue to lose games if they play offense like they did today - particularly in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter.

I was there in section 225. I had a close centercourt seat to the live action and saw it all. I've been there in the past too. Today didn't seem different to me. Didn't seem like D'Antoni has any idea how to call plays for the team. Really getting tired of him and his damn accent and nonchalant approach to games. I am close to my limit with this coach.

What else is there to say? This is not a playoff team. Insult me and say I'm jumping the gun after 3 games. Right now this is not a playoff team. I know hat I've been seeing the past 2 games and what I saw tonight. I didn't see a playoff team.

I am sick and tired of the Knicks. I am sicked and tired of losing. I am sick and tired of the Knicks losing.

There are no more moral victories for me. We should've won that game. We didn't. That ****ing sucked.

No.

Don't give me that BS.

Team sucks, end of story.

I'll wait till they prove me otherwise.

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10/30/2010  11:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  11:39 PM
Vmart wrote:Spacing is a factor and having options when running a pick and roll is a must. You run the pick and roll with a couple of plan just in case the play isn't executed to perfection and spacing is poor or defense has covered it. That is what makes Nash so good with Pick and roll, he could possibly run two or more plays because he was so creative and it keeps defenses off balance. Right now Felton is running the Pick and roll to run the pick and roll and the defense pretty much figured out that he is running the pick and roll and only the pick and roll. Its as though he has tunnel vision.

Vmart, I do understand that the Pick & Roll has to be run "properly", but every point guard (Every player really) in the NBA should be able to run a pick & roll properly.

This is simply further proof of the erosion of fundamentals in the NBA today: That it is special that a point guard is good at the pick and roll, and that starting level point guards need extended periods of time to figure out the different options to be effective running the pick and roll.

In Steve Nash's case, he was more dangerous in the Pick and Roll situation because of his shooting, which makes sense, but the Pick and roll really isn't a "creative" play. The big man rolls, and you bounce it to him, throw it over the top, or in rare cases, shovel pass. If the play is covered by the defense, you simply reset, shoot, or throw it to another player who is in better position because the defense is trying to defend against the roll or closing out on you as the passer.

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10/30/2010  11:43 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:No.

Don't give me that BS.

Team sucks, end of story.

I'll wait till they prove me otherwise.

k bro. let's hope they prove you wrong.

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10/30/2010  11:43 PM
I like the way the team has been playing. Tonite we collapsed at the end. But defensively, we played hard and well the entire game. Everyone missed their shot at the end including Turiaf who missed a shot and then missed 2 foul shots. Also, Portland was getting the bounces on their shots.

Rotation: MDA has changed his style. In all 3 games he has played a 10 man rotation instead of just 7 or 8 man. Mason has been terrible and Gallinari isn't at full strength. But 10 man rotation. I think this is a good way to go. 9 or 10 men/game. When AR and Gallo recover, we will be very strong.

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