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Knicks vs Celtics Preseason Game 3: We will have seen enough to declare a player a bust!
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nixluva
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10/14/2010  12:37 AM
crzymdups wrote:tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.


The only good thing is that it's still early and in all honesty this is exactly how Duhon looked in his 1st pre season with the Knicks. I think it's just a symptom of taking on a new team, new style of play and really a team full of kids that have limited experience. There's a lot on Felton's shoulders right now and since he's not a great player, he can't just rely on his raw talent and bluff his way thru. He's got to learn and go thru this process.

In the end there's no way out of this, except to push thru and keep working.

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10/14/2010  1:13 AM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.


The only good thing is that it's still early and in all honesty this is exactly how Duhon looked in his 1st pre season with the Knicks. I think it's just a symptom of taking on a new team, new style of play and really a team full of kids that have limited experience. There's a lot on Felton's shoulders right now and since he's not a great player, he can't just rely on his raw talent and bluff his way thru. He's got to learn and go thru this process.

In the end there's no way out of this, except to push thru and keep working.


I'm not sure why Felton looking like Duhon is consoling to you.
Duhon sucked here aside from a short spell.

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10/14/2010  1:27 AM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.


The only good thing is that it's still early and in all honesty this is exactly how Duhon looked in his 1st pre season with the Knicks. I think it's just a symptom of taking on a new team, new style of play and really a team full of kids that have limited experience. There's a lot on Felton's shoulders right now and since he's not a great player, he can't just rely on his raw talent and bluff his way thru. He's got to learn and go thru this process.

In the end there's no way out of this, except to push thru and keep working.

Or TRADE FOR RUBIO!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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10/14/2010  6:07 AM
crzymdups wrote:tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.

Keep telling yourself that.

With Melo and STAT on the team, it doesn't matter who the PG is....(See Scott Skiles)

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10/14/2010  6:12 AM
I'm pretty sure Scott Skiles couldn't deal with a player like Melo... Melo takes bad shots and doesn't play defense.
Rose is not the answer.
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10/14/2010  7:37 AM
Biggamer3 wrote:Rautins is such a dumb ass, he has 8 seconds and throws up an impossible 3 attempt

It looked to me like he was trying to draw the foul there. Refs were terrible all day though so why would that work?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/14/2010  7:39 AM
My $.02:

1. Felton just looks strung out, out there. He needs to relax. He got into an ill-advised up-and-down scoring duel with Rondo and lost. I think he'll turn it around but Rondo blowing by him on a regular basis was concerning.

2. Stoudemire looked like he could do anything he wanted out there. Just a force.

3. AR needs to hit the books.

4. I liked what I saw out of Landry Fields. Made some mistakes, but hustled in a big way and was aggressive. Still think he's going to turn into a solid asset.

5. My man Moz needs to clean up the glass.

6. Gallo took it to the rim last night more than he has in the past, which is a good sign.

7. Wil the Thrill looks smoother, but his laid-back demeanor, I think, leads to a passive offense sometimes. The guy is legit and needs to keep his petal to the metal.

Overall, it was obvious Doc Rivers wanted the win. I'm glad MDA played his bench at the end--give them a taste of crunch time. I thought the defense was improved and they weren't hacking as much, which are noticeable improvements. Offense still needs to gel, but I'm less worried about that. That will come as the guys get used to each other.

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10/14/2010  7:42 AM
Stoudemire looked great. Gallo was ineffective. Felton looks lost and is not playing D. Mozgov started nice and then disappeared. He needs to concentrate on Blocks and Rebounds and getting hard working points. Walker was solid offensively. TD should be playing because of his D. Fields is solid. Chandler looks good. Turiaf looks slow. Rautins is doing the job. Mason is a vet and can sink a shot.

I think they need a 2 way SG, and I am hoping Azubuike can be that guy.

I wish they had a real big man coach. NOt sure Herb is the guy but he was a heady player, so maybe.

It was a pre-season game and Boston played their 35 year old guys 40 minutes. NY held the led for most of the game playing 1st unit against 1st unit (except for KG).

Jermaine O'Neal looks like he is hanging out with EC.

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10/14/2010  8:29 AM
Knicks were beating Celtics starters who were certainly playing hard until the 4th where Rondo, Ray and Pierce did what they should do which is beat the Knick's bench.

Randolph is 21 years old, just been traded and trying to establish himself. He's clearly struggling to find his role here. I would back off a bit. He's 21. Let him get comfortable a bit here and find some rhythm.

PG play has been but thats also going to be the last thing to click. I will say I thought Douglas made a lot of good plays that guys couldnt finish on.

Amare is a monster of monsters

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10/14/2010  9:07 AM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
NewYorkSoul wrote:I respect D'Antoni for not matching his lineup in frikkin pre-season. Who plays their stars 40 mins each in pre-season!?

Boston is trying to set the tone for the season starting in the pre-season. Fact remains the lead was dwindling with our starters on.

Boston was trying to win because it is Doc Rivers', Paul Pierce's and Jermaine O'Neal's birthday.

They played Rondo, Allen and Pierce 40 minutes a piece.

"Set the tone for the pre-season" indeed.

Would you rather a repeat of the Antonio McDyess injury? Oh wait, of course you would - more trolling material.

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If there is anyone who wears the mark of the Troll it's you. You! Don't tell me about an injury of McDyess. McDyess was hurt before he came to the Knicks. Boston damn sure played hard so why couldn't we.You are worried about injuries? They happen. First impressions count. This was our first home game and it would have been nice to win and set a tone for the season. You watch when we go to Boston they will be sending their big guns out after us. What should we do? Say ohh the game don't mean anything so it dosen't matter if we win or loose. Thats the sign of a LOOSER. I wan't the Knicks to contest every game to the very best of their ability. Maybe you don't care about this team but I do and I want them to win every night. (I know that won't happen but I's sure be happy if they put up a good fight).

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10/14/2010  9:36 AM
After 3 preseason games, the biggest concerns are Gallo's love for the 3-ball (what happened to the Gallo we saw in March/April?), Felton's sloppy handle and passing, and AR taking ridiculously dumb shots in all 3 games now.

It's disturbing cause these 3 guys were considered the keys to our season just a month ago. Gallo and AR were considered our best assets, yet Chandler has been outplaying both badly.

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10/14/2010  9:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2010  9:46 AM
scoshin wrote:After 3 preseason games, the biggest concerns are Gallo's love for the 3-ball (what happened to the Gallo we saw in March/April?), Felton's sloppy handle and passing, and AR taking ridiculously dumb shots in all 3 games now.

It's disturbing cause these 3 guys were considered the keys to our season just a month ago. Gallo and AR were considered our best assets, yet Chandler has been outplaying both badly.

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I agree!

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10/14/2010  9:56 AM
We got A LOT of work to do and only have 2 weeks to do it. It's Preseason with a brand new team so struggling to jell was expected but too many key players are underachieving. Raymond Felton especially needs to pick it up. He's better than this! He was Tim Hardaway every time we played Charlotte.
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10/14/2010  10:04 AM
Damn this team is so unorganized. It's like they forgot how to play basketball sometimes. I know Mike likes to spread but you gotta get some screens to free some of our guys up and then move the ball and get some decent looks. Some of the possessions were just awful. They played some really good D at certain points.

Amare beasted, but dude had Marquis Daniels on him for the longest time and he wasn't taking him down low. He was just sitting in the high post.

Chandler started off nice, improved J, but then forced up a shot, lost his confidence, and disappeared in the 2nd half. He HAS to be more aggressive. We need penetrators.

This team needs to feed the ball to Amare better and look to him even more than they already do. They need to get the p&r going more and move the ball. None of this stationary crap. This team doesn't have any iso scorers who can really create their own shot. Too many spot up shooters with low bball iq's.

And AR was freakin awful. he will be in mike's doghouse in no time.

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10/14/2010  10:13 AM
tj23 wrote:Amare beasted, but dude had Marquis Daniels on him for the longest time and he wasn't taking him down low. He was just sitting in the high post.

Amare's strength is in the high post and the pick and roll. He is not your typical post player.

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10/14/2010  10:29 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
tj23 wrote:Amare beasted, but dude had Marquis Daniels on him for the longest time and he wasn't taking him down low. He was just sitting in the high post.

Amare's strength is in the high post and the pick and roll. He is not your typical post player.


Yeah that's true but when you got a 2 guard on you you take him down low every time. That's basketball 101. Sometimes I think Dantoni doesn't emphasize matchups at all.
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10/14/2010  10:35 AM
One of the shocking things from where I was watching was Mozgov trying to play a perimeter game. I get spreading it out, but that looked ridiculous. He was making the 10 ft shot early in the game, but then late in the game he comes back in and is standing out at the 3pt line.

Very odd.

Silver lining is that starter-vs-starter we beat Boston. They were playing their core group through the 2nd half against our guys that will never play in all likelihood.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/14/2010  10:48 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:One of the shocking things from where I was watching was Mozgov trying to play a perimeter game. I get spreading it out, but that looked ridiculous. He was making the 10 ft shot early in the game, but then late in the game he comes back in and is standing out at the 3pt line.

Very odd.

Silver lining is that starter-vs-starter we beat Boston. They were playing their core group through the 2nd half against our guys that will never play in all likelihood.

I dont think thats the silver lining, I think thats the most important thing. Their frontcourt had no answer for Amare, Felton still struggled but his defense was good as was the team defense over all. The offense is still a work in progress but they are playing hard and improved greatly on the glass. Most of all while they struggle to score at times (minus Amare) they are making up for it on defense.
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10/14/2010  10:52 AM
Finestrg wrote:Things that are really surprising me so far:

(1) How ineffective Felton has been so far.

(2) How ineffective AR has been so far.

(3) How ineffective Turiaf is around the basket -- tonight guys we're hitting him with good passes right under the rim and he just fumbled them outta bounds like hot potatoes it seemed. Gotta catch and convert or at least get fouled...At the very least attempt a shot at the basket for Christ's sake.

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

(5) How ineffective Roger Mason has been so far. Fields has gotta get those backup SG mins. Simple as that. Fields brings much more to the table in almost every facet of the game over Mason.

(6) How little fastbreak opportunities we've had so far in the preseason. Our offense was basically all halfcourt tonight -- where the hell are these easy fastbreak opportunities??

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I'm confident things will improve.

Felton & AR are bound to play better..Must just be adjustment problems that need iron themselves out. Both are way too talented to be playing like this. My bet is they'll both settle down soon. They better..

Love how you guys know all about a guys game from a few spot minutes..I watched Douglas play his whole time at FSU The description above is NOT Douglas...guy can penetrate....only one comment that points out the competition. I saw Douglas turnover Rondo at the end of the game and hit 3 different guys in the hands on the Pick and roll or an assist and nobody gets it in the rim. One of those passes was a laser between 2 defenders and AR just flat flubbed it. Turiaf once and AR twice. Not to mention all the missed shots.

Felton is better than he has shown, no doubt in my mind. This team will look far different in 3-4 months.

Amar'e.... Amore ...the beast of Broadway

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10/14/2010  10:53 AM
after watching the first half of this game some things i would like to acknowledge about our beloved knicks..

1) holy **** amare is a beast! ok with that said.... if he is going to teach AR 1 thing .... i hope he teaches him how to find the creases in the defense and hit the open lanes on his cuts... This is were AR should be NOT SHOOTING PAST 15 FEET OUT...

2) Will has really worked on his shot and if he keeps looking like that he is the starting 2....

3) Mozgov is our x factor.... in a game that AR and Gallo were off.... we were in a good rythm with him in the game....

4) They look better with TD on the floor than Felton.... enuff said

5) bill walker should replace mason jr in the rotation ... walker looks automatic on the jumper..... just has to stay in front of his damn man on the other end ...

tell me what you think

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