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10/6/2010  5:13 PM
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

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10/6/2010  5:18 PM
We did a good job with the turnovers.
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10/6/2010  5:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

was dg settling for 3's? 8 of his 13 shots were 3s... i was hoping he would try and take advantage of his size a bit more this year and would drive more. maybe he did, im going off the stats...

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10/6/2010  5:31 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Here is a snippet of what needs change

Ronnie Turriaf CANNOT be starting next to Stoudemire point blank one. What we were having was constant double and triple teaming giving no space for Amare and making him look like Udonis Haslem without the rebounding. I don't know if R Turriaf is in my rotation--he's not big enough against 7 footers and he cant score--so hes a liability player.

Ray Felton played the WHOLE game like he did in the first q of the last game--game over if he does this. He needs to work the pick n roll play make better decisions crisper passes and hit the jumpshot.

We cannot let AR and Gallo fetish the three pt line--its a dire waste. 16 footer in rhythm--OK. But too many 3's. Ar HAS to be required to get more rebounds

Roger Mason---sht player who was let go from SA becasue he lost his shot---and we wasted money picking him up. Out of rotation permanently.

We could use a bulkier player--but right now I think that we should not waste time and bring back barron. He can score and rebound--he can take pressure of Amare becasue he can score.+ he's a legit 7 feet. We need the rebounding and we need the spacing.

I think we can have a nice second unit, especially on the D.

Turiaf - Showing he is a bench player and not starter material

Felton - Maybe he needs to be in a system with a slow pace because he plays out of control. He is still better than Duhon. Felton is going to be better during the season though.

Mason - TRASH

Randolph - needs to focus on defense and let his offense come. He was forcing the issue AGAIN.

Gallo - in love with his shooting.

Now when it comes to Randolph and Gallo I cant blame them much because they are playing out of position. Both of those guys are PF's but dont get to play that position often.

Agreed on Randolph/Gallo, but more on Randolph. I think Randolph can be special if he focus on inside game than outside but with mid range jumper. As for Gallo, Dude just needs to stop with "I am Miller time".

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10/6/2010  5:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is a snippet of what needs change

Ronnie Turriaf CANNOT be starting next to Stoudemire point blank one. What we were having was constant double and triple teaming giving no space for Amare and making him look like Udonis Haslem without the rebounding. I don't know if R Turriaf is in my rotation--he's not big enough against 7 footers and he cant score--so hes a liability player.

Ray Felton played the WHOLE game like he did in the first q of the last game--game over if he does this. He needs to work the pick n roll play make better decisions crisper passes and hit the jumpshot.

We cannot let AR and Gallo fetish the three pt line--its a dire waste. 16 footer in rhythm--OK. But too many 3's. Ar HAS to be required to get more rebounds

Roger Mason---sht player who was let go from SA becasue he lost his shot---and we wasted money picking him up. Out of rotation permanently.

We could use a bulkier player--but right now I think that we should not waste time and bring back barron. He can score and rebound--he can take pressure of Amare becasue he can score.+ he's a legit 7 feet. We need the rebounding and we need the spacing.

I think we can have a nice second unit, especially on the D.

If we can't change the thinking of AR/Gallo of not playing inside this coach is gone. As with communication, it is two way street. I hope those two really think about going inside more.

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10/6/2010  5:37 PM
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

I didn't see the game but I saw the box score and that stood out. I think as long as D'Antoni is coach there will be games where this happens.
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10/6/2010  5:43 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

was dg settling for 3's? 8 of his 13 shots were 3s... i was hoping he would try and take advantage of his size a bit more this year and would drive more. maybe he did, im going off the stats...

Gallo's mid range game off the dribble was TERRIBLE.

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10/6/2010  5:47 PM
I think that MDA needs two guys hitting 3's for optimum team performance.

It is the beginning of the year- the distance will come for people who have it like Gallo or Douglas- I would be more worried about not having a SG with distance on his shot.

The rebounding was troublesome, but we really lost the game at the foul line.

Did not see the first quarter or so- so I don't know if he did anything in the post, but if Gallo does not have his touch from the 3, it might be nice if showed off some of the moves he learned. Playing hard minutes of 1/1 before any game, which is what an announcer said Gallo did, is also foolish, IMO.

Fields is a player- don't know what else to say. IF he ever develops a consistent jumper (needs more arch) he will be getting 25-30 MPG at some point in his career. I cannot believe that this guy flew under the pre-draft radar.

Rautins looked like an entirely different player than he did in the SL. The confidence was back, he looked decent both ways.

Mosgov, despite his fouls, showed that he will contribute. Great motor. Just needs some polish. Does not seem fazed by the transition from Russia to the NBA. He should be starting by the end of the year, or even earlier.

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10/6/2010  5:48 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

was dg settling for 3's? 8 of his 13 shots were 3s... i was hoping he would try and take advantage of his size a bit more this year and would drive more. maybe he did, im going off the stats...

Gallo's mid range game off the dribble was TERRIBLE.

Gallo looked like he mightve been out late last night.

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10/6/2010  5:50 PM
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10/6/2010  5:50 PM
Paladin55 wrote:I think that MDA needs two guys hitting 3's for optimum team performance.

It is the beginning of the year- the distance will come for people who have it like Gallo or Douglas- I would be more worried about not having a SG with distance on his shot.

The rebounding was troublesome, but we really lost the game at the foul line.

Did not see the first quarter or so- so I don't know if he did anything in the post, but if Gallo does not have his touch from the 3, it might be nice if showed off some of the moves he learned. Playing hard minutes of 1/1 before any game, which is what an announcer said Gallo did, is also foolish, IMO.

Fields is a player- don't know what else to say. IF he ever develops a consistent jumper (needs more arch) he will be getting 25-30 MPG at some point in his career. I cannot believe that this guy flew under the pre-draft radar.

Rautins looked like an entirely different player than he did in the SL. The confidence was back, he looked decent both ways.

Mosgov, despite his fouls, showed that he will contribute. Great motor. Just needs some polish. Does not seem fazed by the transition from Russia to the NBA. He should be starting by the end of the year, or even earlier.

Agree, we need a second gunner. If we only know the reality of what portland is asking for Rudy (we are not employed by the team for those who keep assuming and reading usual media rumors). I might trade Chandler for Rudy 1/1 but if they are asking for draft pick that's just BS.

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10/6/2010  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2010  5:54 PM
Gallo - needs to stop settling for 3's. Even on a good night, he's attempting like 8-9 a game, which is ridiculous. He's not going to be an elite scorer in this league by camping at the 3-pt line.

Amare - he forced things a bit, but I'm not that disappointed. Minnesota packed the paint and took away Amare's usual game. I was disappointed that he didn't go back to his elbow jumper that he hit twice in the 1st quarter.

Chandler - another solid game

Randolph - had flashes of brilliance and flashes of stupidity. Shot selection is going to be his biggest issue going forward, but love his defensive effort.

Most impressive - Rautins, followed by Douglas. I'm actually beginning to be intrigued by what Rautins can do as a backup point cause he seems to be our ONLY ballhandler who keeps his head up when he drives. Douglas' defensive energy is what we love about him. He played as if this was a playoff game.

Biggest disappointments - Felton, followed by Mason. We hardly saw any pick'n'roll play, and Felton's handle seems like it's always about to go out of control. He also seemed to shy away from the ball and defer to others to create. Not exactly what we'd want from our floor general.

Mason just flat out sucked. He's our 3-pt specialist, role player off the bench, and he comes in and airballs a three...I'd rather see Fields, Walker, and Rautins get his playing time.

Overall though, our biggest issue coming out of this game is rebounding. If we can't rebound, we can't even run. No one's boxing out, and too many players are gunning for the break before securing the rebound. 62-35 differential is absolutely pathetic, and you can't just say "well, it's preseason," cause both teams played with a lot of intensity.

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10/6/2010  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2010  5:53 PM
We are going to see discrepancies with Free Throws because the refs reward the aggressive team. They aren't going to send you to the line when you are chucking shots.

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10/6/2010  5:54 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

I usually don't post.. Even though I'm on this site everyday.. so I'm not sure what u are implying with the "stop". Any further explanation of why I mentioned 30 3s would be childish and argumentative when I was just stating my opinionated observation. LOL.

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10/6/2010  5:55 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We are going to see discrepancies with Free Throws because the refs reward the aggressive team. They aren't going to send you to the line when you are chucking shots.

Live by the 3, Die by the 3.

If you don't have your pnr inside our team looks like a 3 pointer team that has issue.

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10/6/2010  5:56 PM
Bizzy211 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

I usually don't post.. Even though I'm on this site everyday.. so I'm not sure what u are implying with the "stop". Any further explanation of why I mentioned 30 3s would be childish and argumentative when I was just stating my opinionated observation. LOL.

No inside game pnr so they settled for 3's.

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10/6/2010  6:04 PM
Bizzy211 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

I usually don't post.. Even though I'm on this site everyday.. so I'm not sure what u are implying with the "stop". Any further explanation of why I mentioned 30 3s would be childish and argumentative when I was just stating my opinionated observation. LOL.

haha, I think BRIGGS was agreeing with you. He was telling Gallo to stop shooting 30 3s per game.

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10/6/2010  6:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

was dg settling for 3's? 8 of his 13 shots were 3s... i was hoping he would try and take advantage of his size a bit more this year and would drive more. maybe he did, im going off the stats...

Gallo's mid range game off the dribble was TERRIBLE.

Gallo looked like he mightve been out late last night.

In Paris it stays light until like 10 p.m., which is when most folks start their evenings. A lot of restaurants don't even START serving dinner much before then. So late is the way in Paris.

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10/6/2010  6:06 PM
Bizzy211 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:Just an observation:

I believe MDA needs to cut the 3 point shooting. Our team shot 31 3-pointers and only 25 freethrows. We have guys who shot 4 to 8 3's and did not attempt 1 freethrow. Rebounding is another, but you are going to have those nights where you just can't seem to rebound. Too early to tell IMO about the lack of rebounding. I do believe we should cut down on the 3's about 15 attempts less and try to convert those to more freethrow attempts. Some of our stat-lines are just horrible. But it is pre-season.. RIGHT!!

He has culpability as well. I think he can make it a faster team but please for Gods sakes stop with the annoying 30 3s per game.

I usually don't post.. Even though I'm on this site everyday.. so I'm not sure what u are implying with the "stop". Any further explanation of why I mentioned 30 3s would be childish and argumentative when I was just stating my opinionated observation. LOL.

i think he was *mad* at the team, not you.

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10/6/2010  6:12 PM
I'll be happy when the Knicks get back home and work on their game all this traveling and sight seeing is taking away from their preperation for the season.
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