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10/3/2010  11:26 PM
OjilEye wrote:AR had multiple drives where I felt he could've passed to the open man.

However, on all these drives, AR finished and scored.

So... not sure what to conclude here.

Clyde made note of Randolph looking for his offense early and often. The guy has talent but I dont see him excelling on the offensive end. He needs to tailor his game after Garnett.

Jacking a 3 in transition is not what I want to see from him. I want to see him swatting shots.

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10/3/2010  11:37 PM
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Vmart wrote:The most impressive player after Amare was Chandler. I found Gallo's game lacking. Jacking up threes isn't my idea of a great player. He definitely has to bring more to the game than spot up jump shooting. Randolph should not be taking threes until his mid range game is refined. Mozgov look good out there. Randolph has good defensive skills. The Knicks still need another big time player. I like Felton's play but like Clyde said he has to become more offensive if he just relys on passing teams will slack off of him. Other than that it was a hard game to watch with all the turnovers.

Chandler looked very very good--like Allan Houston -- smooth and effective but with D and rebounding.

I said it before--we need to see what we have--too many people including some people in knick management have written off Chandler--and he very well could be a player that we decide to keep long term. Let him play 82 and improve off of the 15-5

I thought Chandler looked great. I really don't want to see him moved. He is just too good and too young to move if you don't have to. I also thought Mosgov looked great and I was pleased that D'Antoni got him out there and let him play. I know he has given lip service to his talent but that doesn't always translate into minutes for him especially if you are talking about a big man.
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10/3/2010  11:41 PM
AR looked a lot better in the transition game, but in the half-court set, he went into Harrington mode, looking to score himself, even over two defenders, when he could've just passed the ball. That type of play needs to go.

I can see why GS fans were both excited about his potential, and frustrated by his mental lapses.

It's strange cause just going by how well-spoken they are to the media, I would've thought Chandler would be dumb as bricks on the court. But Chandler has surprisingly good basketball IQ. He spots open lanes quickly, knows to play within his limitations, and even made some good passes off his drives. Simply put, Chandler plays composed, like a vet. AR has more raw talent and potential, but as of right now, I'd say Chandler is the better player and provides more impact on the court.
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10/3/2010  11:41 PM
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Vmart wrote:The most impressive player after Amare was Chandler. I found Gallo's game lacking. Jacking up threes isn't my idea of a great player. He definitely has to bring more to the game than spot up jump shooting. Randolph should not be taking threes until his mid range game is refined. Mozgov look good out there. Randolph has good defensive skills. The Knicks still need another big time player. I like Felton's play but like Clyde said he has to become more offensive if he just relys on passing teams will slack off of him. Other than that it was a hard game to watch with all the turnovers.

Chandler looked very very good--like Allan Houston -- smooth and effective but with D and rebounding.

I said it before--we need to see what we have--too many people including some people in knick management have written off Chandler--and he very well could be a player that we decide to keep long term. Let him play 82 and improve off of the 15-5

I thought Chandler looked great. I really don't want to see him moved. He is just too good and too young to move if you don't have to. I also thought Mosgov looked great and I was pleased that D'Antoni got him out there and let him play. I know he has given lip service to his talent but that doesn't always translate into minutes for him especially if you are talking about a big man.

The issue is Chandler isn't a SG but a SF. D'Antoni wants him to be a 3 point shooter and that isnt his game.

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10/3/2010  11:54 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
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Vmart wrote:The most impressive player after Amare was Chandler. I found Gallo's game lacking. Jacking up threes isn't my idea of a great player. He definitely has to bring more to the game than spot up jump shooting. Randolph should not be taking threes until his mid range game is refined. Mozgov look good out there. Randolph has good defensive skills. The Knicks still need another big time player. I like Felton's play but like Clyde said he has to become more offensive if he just relys on passing teams will slack off of him. Other than that it was a hard game to watch with all the turnovers.

Chandler looked very very good--like Allan Houston -- smooth and effective but with D and rebounding.

I said it before--we need to see what we have--too many people including some people in knick management have written off Chandler--and he very well could be a player that we decide to keep long term. Let him play 82 and improve off of the 15-5

I thought Chandler looked great. I really don't want to see him moved. He is just too good and too young to move if you don't have to. I also thought Mosgov looked great and I was pleased that D'Antoni got him out there and let him play. I know he has given lip service to his talent but that doesn't always translate into minutes for him especially if you are talking about a big man.

The issue is Chandler isn't a SG but a SF. D'Antoni wants him to be a 3 point shooter and that isnt his game.

Hopefully Chandler is still in NY when D'Antoni's tenure here ends.
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10/4/2010  12:15 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
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Nalod wrote:I can see why Nellie got frustrated with AR. The Dude don't pass the ball and I can see is a bonehead.

But he is our bonehead and he does have some freakish ability.

His brain is still in development. He gets 3 more years.

I didnt want to be the first to mention it. Randolph needs to focus on finishing plays not starting them. Watching Randolph made me appreciate Gallo a little more because Gallo plays under control and doesn't try to do too much.

The only thing that concerned me is he seemed to beast during "garbage" time.

Randolph played very well. Its like saying you cant teach being 7 feet--well you cant teach being 6-11 and mobile with the ball with the ability to get into the lane like that. He can do a lot of things and as he hones those skills--will be even more viscous to contain. It seemed like he played 35 minutes in 19--mistakes yes--but the good outweighed the bad by a wide margin and there is just so much there. Were a lucky team--we have unique F's--now we need a great 5.

D'Antoni was yelling at Randolph for a reason. Making mistakes is one thing but forcing shots and dribbling and getting the ball taken away are going to have him getting pine time.

he forced one shot--I mean he made 7-11. He didnt yell on a pick and made a couple of poor decisions with the ball. Actually I thought it was embarrassing for MDA to yell at him like that--but MDA seems to need to do that to someone.

He still needs to pass the ball. We don't need Harrington II on this team.

I don't see how we are comparing him to Al Harrington. AR doesn't jack up 3s. He took one 3 at the beginning and that was it. The kid is a finisher. When he's driving to the hoop or posting up, I'd much rather he establish himself as a scorer and the passing will work itself out in the long run.

Yes, he was sloppy at times too. There were things to pick apart. However, he did an excellent job on his scoring opportunities and that's what you want to see. He took high percentage shots besides about 2 shots. That's fine. He was also active on the defensive end.

I would be happier if he didn't try to be the PG though, unless he's wide open. The ball has to find the PG in the fullcourt in MDAs system.

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10/4/2010  12:23 AM
Anthony Randolph playing inside near the paint and Anthony Randolph playing on the perimeter is night and day.

Anthony Randolph is a PF. He was looking smoother around the rim. Basically Amare is going to have to suck it up and play serious minutes at center if we want to make noise.

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10/4/2010  1:21 AM
Really some of you guys need to lay off Mike. This guy is gonna bring out the best in guys like Chandler and AR. Give him some time to keep working with them. Chandler is being pushed to expand his game and some of you are not realizing that once he masters all of these things he's gonna be a real asset. He looked confident driving or taking the 3 or pulling up for a midrange jumper. That is what Mike is bringing out of his game, so don't assume that all he wants him to do is shoot 3's. That's stupid.

This offense allows for more than that but its up to the player to actually use all of his options. Same with Gallo. You see that AR naturally adjusted from taking the 3 to driving and it was effective. You stand at the 3pt line in order to give the proper spacing, but once you get the ball you have choices. Making the right choice is something these players have to learn and I believe they will.

Now I REALLY like what i'm seeing from Mosgov. This guy is gonna take over the Starting Center spot at some point this year IMO. He's just got too much talent. He already is better offensively than Turiaf. Imagine when this kid learns how to post up! He's just so mobile and active. You can't want to see this team broken up just to get Melo in here. Gallo, AR, Timo, Chan, Fields is a nice group of players with size, athletic prowess and skill. I want to develop these guys cuz I think they give us a serious core of 2 way players that will allow this team to be a title contender down the line. I only sign Melo in the off season. Don't touch my NY YOOTS!
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10/4/2010  2:30 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Anthony Randolph playing inside near the paint and Anthony Randolph playing on the perimeter is night and day.

Anthony Randolph is a PF. He was looking smoother around the rim. Basically Amare is going to have to suck it up and play serious minutes at center if we want to make noise.

You're really delusional if you think Amare Stoudemire is a center.

Be quiet already. Amare is a PF and not playing center will put less of a burden on his body. PF is his position forever. End of story.

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10/4/2010  8:07 AM
To digress a bit, but when was the last time any single knick player was credited with 3 block shots in a single game?
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10/4/2010  9:08 AM
One preseason game and Danilo Gallinari is going to average 22 ppg (+7 from last year) and he's already better than Carmelo Anthony and Wilson Chandler is Allan Houston. LOL @ BRIGGS.
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10/4/2010  9:14 AM
Im not so sure about Wilson, but Gallo is exactly the kind of player thriving with a good TEAM around him. He did not have that last year, but I think its not as far fetched to believe that will change now. There are just to many guys on this team that have the mindset to play the right way, to not have a huge impact on Gallos numbers.
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10/4/2010  9:42 AM
Olbrannon wrote:via NBA.com

STARTERS 	        MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	+/- 	PTS
Amare Stoudemire, PF	28	10-13	1-1	11-13	1       5	6	3	 2	0	5	2       +18	32
Danilo Gallinari, F     32	7-14	5-11	5-5	0       7	7	1	 3	1	3	4       +17	24
Ronny Turiaf, C	        21	2-3	0-0	1-1	1	1	2	1	 1	0	2	3	+20     5
Raymond Felton, PG	30	2-5	0-1	1-1	1	2	3	8	 3	0	3	1	+16	5
Wilson Chandler, SF	22	7-9	1-2	2-2	1	2	3	1	 0	1	2	1	+5	17
BENCH 	              MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	+/- 	PTS
Roger Mason, SG	      17	1-3	1-3	0-0	0	2	2	0	  0     0       1	2	+4	3
Toney Douglas, G      24	1-6     0-3	0-0	1	1	2	6	  1     0       3	5	-5	2
Timofey Mozgov, C     19	3-4	0-0	4-6	1	4	5	1	  2     3       3	4	-6	10
Landry Fields, G      11	0-1	0-1	3-4	0       0	0	0	  0     0       1	0	+2	3
B Walker, SG	      18	3-4	2-3	0-0	0	1	1	1	  0     0       2	2	-11	8
A Randolph, PF	      19	7-11	0-1	2-4	1	3	4	1	  0     0       2	5	0	16
TOTALS		                FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	  	PTS
	                        43-73	10-26	29-36	7       28	35      23	12	5	 27	29	 	125

Why is Stat talking about tossing a shot into the third row when the stat line shows no blocks? Typo? Did the Italian scorekeeper give his block to Gallo?

19 minutes and 3 blocks for TimGov...I'm hoping he's gonna get that many against the scummier NBA teams like the Kings and Nets... The Knicks with a real defensive presence in the middle. Imagine that again.
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10/4/2010  11:05 AM
iSergio wrote:One preseason game and Danilo Gallinari is going to average 22 ppg (+7 from last year) and he's already better than Carmelo Anthony and Wilson Chandler is Allan Houston. LOL @ BRIGGS.

He does remind me a lot of a young Allan Houston. H20 was still playing at Tennessee when Wilson averaged 15-5-2 48% in the NBA. Hes well built like Allan tall athletic(allan was actually pretty athletic when he came out of school with the Pistons)and they have similar shooting strokes and smooth game. You know---when you watch Gallinari and Chandler---its not wishing upon a star that they transition into even better players--they were good ones already. Its like a shock because they are already here. Its like people picking at Randolphs game yesterday when he he was very impressive getting into the lane and shooting 70%--we need another 7 footer and well see about PG but we have really good young players. I call it like I see it--Im not biased--Ive been very blunt when i think things have scked--I dont think that way now--have we made some mistakes--well I think we did in the last draft with 3 picks(i think we haev 1 good player there)---we missed B Jennings Derozan etc.. the previous year but also had good moves with mosgov and Randolph. So that makes the misses not as bad.

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10/4/2010  11:16 AM
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Nalod wrote:I can see why Nellie got frustrated with AR. The Dude don't pass the ball and I can see is a bonehead.

The only thing that concerned me is he seemed to beast during "garbage" time.

Randolph played very well.

None of Randolph's points came with Amare on the floor at the same time.

I don't know what that says.. but i noticed that while TD set up AR with 2 gimme dunks... AR did everything else individually. Not a team player IMO. And he got killed defensively in the 1st quarter on man defense. Yeah he got a block and a goaltend. So there are flashes.

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10/4/2010  11:22 AM
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AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:I can see why Nellie got frustrated with AR. The Dude don't pass the ball and I can see is a bonehead.

The only thing that concerned me is he seemed to beast during "garbage" time.

Randolph played very well.

None of Randolph's points came with Amare on the floor at the same time.

I don't know what that says.. but i noticed that while TD set up AR with 2 gimme dunks... AR did everything else individually. Not a team player IMO. And he got killed defensively in the 1st quarter on man defense. Yeah he got a block and a goaltend. So there are flashes.

he played only 19 minutes--if we had players who were that effective in the short period of time--we would be very very good. Let Randolph Gallo Mosgov and Chandler play 30 minutes next game--we know what Amare can do--we dont need to play him much in pre season after the 1Q. No reason to over work amare right now--lets see what randolph does when he plays 35 minutes.

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10/4/2010  11:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:I can see why Nellie got frustrated with AR. The Dude don't pass the ball and I can see is a bonehead.

The only thing that concerned me is he seemed to beast during "garbage" time.

Randolph played very well.

None of Randolph's points came with Amare on the floor at the same time.

I don't know what that says.. but i noticed that while TD set up AR with 2 gimme dunks... AR did everything else individually. Not a team player IMO. And he got killed defensively in the 1st quarter on man defense. Yeah he got a block and a goaltend. So there are flashes.

he played only 19 minutes--if we had players who were that effective in the short period of time--we would be very very good. Let Randolph Gallo Mosgov and Chandler play 30 minutes next game--we know what Amare can do--we dont need to play him much in pre season after the 1Q. No reason to over work amare right now--lets see what randolph does when he plays 35 minutes.

Randolph was scoring most of his baskets in garbage time. Randolph is showing tendencies that got him benched in Golden State. He was trying to force the issue on the offensive end and that isn't his game.

Amare will get minutes because he needs to gel with Felton.

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10/4/2010  11:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2010  11:45 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:I can see why Nellie got frustrated with AR. The Dude don't pass the ball and I can see is a bonehead.

The only thing that concerned me is he seemed to beast during "garbage" time.

Randolph played very well.

None of Randolph's points came with Amare on the floor at the same time.

I don't know what that says.. but i noticed that while TD set up AR with 2 gimme dunks... AR did everything else individually. Not a team player IMO. And he got killed defensively in the 1st quarter on man defense. Yeah he got a block and a goaltend. So there are flashes.

he played only 19 minutes--if we had players who were that effective in the short period of time--we would be very very good. Let Randolph Gallo Mosgov and Chandler play 30 minutes next game--we know what Amare can do--we dont need to play him much in pre season after the 1Q. No reason to over work amare right now--lets see what randolph does when he plays 35 minutes.

Randolph was scoring most of his baskets in garbage time. Randolph is showing tendencies that got him benched in Golden State. He was trying to force the issue on the offensive end and that isn't his game.

Amare will get minutes because he needs to gel with Felton.

What is garbage time? he came out in the 4th with the second unit that expanded the lead against Milan 1st unit. Did you watch the game--look who was on the floor for Milan--their starters. Things he did--especially using the dribble to get into the lane--not many 6-11 people on the earth can do that. How can you knock his performance--the guy was 7-11--looked like he had 3 blocks and pulled down 3-4 tough rebounds and made some really nice shots. Even two of his Js were in and out. That was a very good first game performance coming off injury @ 21. jesus I watched Turriaf grab one rebound and miss a point blank shot over the same 20 minutes.

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10/4/2010  11:45 AM
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iSergio wrote:One preseason game and Danilo Gallinari is going to average 22 ppg (+7 from last year) and he's already better than Carmelo Anthony and Wilson Chandler is Allan Houston. LOL @ BRIGGS.

He does remind me a lot of a young Allan Houston. H20 was still playing at Tennessee when Wilson averaged 15-5-2 48% in the NBA. Hes well built like Allan tall athletic(allan was actually pretty athletic when he came out of school with the Pistons)and they have similar shooting strokes and smooth game. You know---when you watch Gallinari and Chandler---its not wishing upon a star that they transition into even better players--they were good ones already. Its like a shock because they are already here. Its like people picking at Randolphs game yesterday when he he was very impressive getting into the lane and shooting 70%--we need another 7 footer and well see about PG but we have really good young players. I call it like I see it--Im not biased--Ive been very blunt when i think things have scked--I dont think that way now--have we made some mistakes--well I think we did in the last draft with 3 picks(i think we haev 1 good player there)---we missed B Jennings Derozan etc.. the previous year but also had good moves with mosgov and Randolph. So that makes the misses not as bad.

Wilson Chandler compared to Allan Houston?

I'm in a good mood after the Giants last night so I'll bite my tongue here. But you seriously need some ginko. They are NOTHING alike.
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10/4/2010  11:47 AM
Let’s be real: The best players on Milano were “Buckets” Pecherov — whom Breen admitted “wouldn’t play a lot” on an NBA team — and former Temple star David Hawkins, whose game is a cross between “Baby Shack” and “Helicopter” from the defunct AND 1 tour …

http://dimemag.com/2010/10/the-italian-job-amare-and-gallinari-lead-knicks-to-win/

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