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martin
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9/25/2010  3:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:that's one year my bro.

career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harride01.html

I posted 82games because they show the percentage of shots close to the basket versus jumpers. Crawford takes more jumpers and Harris drives more. Harris' percentage of jumpers is consistently lower than Crawford's.

so what. Overall Harris is better at putting the ball in the basket, or as you may say, "shooting".

Indeed, part of Carwford's shooting problem is that he doesn't go to the basket more, ie he is just a chucker.

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9/25/2010  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/25/2010  3:27 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:that's one year my bro.

career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harride01.html

I posted 82games because they show the percentage of shots close to the basket versus jumpers. Crawford takes more jumpers and Harris drives more. Harris' percentage of jumpers is consistently lower than Crawford's.

so what. Overall Harris is better at putting the ball in the basket, or as you may say, "shooting".

Indeed, part of Carwford's shooting problem is that he doesn't go to the basket more, ie he is just a chucker.

What are you talking about man? We werent discussing who is better at putting the ball in the basket. We were discussing who was a better shooter. I stated Harris is a worse shooter than Crawford. You asked for stats and I provided them now you are going off on some tangent. I never stated Harris is a worse scorer.

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9/25/2010  3:36 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:that's one year my bro.

career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harride01.html

I posted 82games because they show the percentage of shots close to the basket versus jumpers. Crawford takes more jumpers and Harris drives more. Harris' percentage of jumpers is consistently lower than Crawford's.

so what. Overall Harris is better at putting the ball in the basket, or as you may say, "shooting".

Indeed, part of Carwford's shooting problem is that he doesn't go to the basket more, ie he is just a chucker.

What are you talking about man? We werent discussing who is better at putting the ball in the basket. We were discussing who was a better shooter. I stated Harris is a worse shooter than Crawford. You asked for stats and I provided them now you are going off on some tangent. I never stated Harris is a worse scorer.

dude, their effective FG% are the same.

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9/25/2010  3:50 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:that's one year my bro.

career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harride01.html

I posted 82games because they show the percentage of shots close to the basket versus jumpers. Crawford takes more jumpers and Harris drives more. Harris' percentage of jumpers is consistently lower than Crawford's.

so what. Overall Harris is better at putting the ball in the basket, or as you may say, "shooting".

Indeed, part of Carwford's shooting problem is that he doesn't go to the basket more, ie he is just a chucker.

What are you talking about man? We werent discussing who is better at putting the ball in the basket. We were discussing who was a better shooter. I stated Harris is a worse shooter than Crawford. You asked for stats and I provided them now you are going off on some tangent. I never stated Harris is a worse scorer.

dude, their effective FG% are the same.

What are we talking about here?

I stated Harris = Crawford and by your response you disagreed. I elaborated on the differences and you disagreed.

What does having the same eFG have to do with who is the better shooter? So Brook Lopez is a almost as good a "shooter" as Gallinari based on eFG%?

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9/25/2010  4:52 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:that's one year my bro.

career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harride01.html

I posted 82games because they show the percentage of shots close to the basket versus jumpers. Crawford takes more jumpers and Harris drives more. Harris' percentage of jumpers is consistently lower than Crawford's.

so what. Overall Harris is better at putting the ball in the basket, or as you may say, "shooting".

Indeed, part of Carwford's shooting problem is that he doesn't go to the basket more, ie he is just a chucker.

What are you talking about man? We werent discussing who is better at putting the ball in the basket. We were discussing who was a better shooter. I stated Harris is a worse shooter than Crawford. You asked for stats and I provided them now you are going off on some tangent. I never stated Harris is a worse scorer.

dude, their effective FG% are the same.

What are we talking about here?

I stated Harris = Crawford and by your response you disagreed. I elaborated on the differences and you disagreed.

What does having the same eFG have to do with who is the better shooter? So Brook Lopez is a almost as good a "shooter" as Gallinari based on eFG%?

actually you stated that Harris was worse shooter than Crawford.

Both of those guys play the guard position. If you want to compare a center to a SF or outside shooter and compare eFG%, you would be juggling apples and oranges.

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9/25/2010  5:47 PM
martin wrote:Here's what I don't get with the notion that Melo will go to the Nets: He is not OK playing out the year in Denver to join Amare and company and immediately form what would be a EC challenging team... but he is OK with being traded to the Nets this year so that he can endure 2 years of empty seats to play along side Lopez in the hopes that 2 years from now CP3 joins him?

Seems to me this is just agents want to capture that $65M extension more than anything.


Totally agree. Melo is just not thinking clearly, or maybe he was given bad advice like LeBron on how to proceed...or maybe the new wife was promised that they would be in NY this year? But something doesn't ring true.
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9/25/2010  7:03 PM
I don't get why he would want to go to jersey instead of waiting out the year, at least from a basketball perspective. I do get it from the $65 MM extension perspective but he is going to have to suffer in NJ for a while before he makes it to NY. I am not sure their future is as bright as ours either but that remains to be seen.

I think if you want to be in and play in NY, then you want to be on the Knicks.

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9/25/2010  7:15 PM
Melo wants it all- he wants to be in NY (or close), he doesn't want to wait and he wants to win and he wants his $65MM.

But, he can't have it all, so we'll see what is most important.

I think I'll respect him if he goes to NJ- because he'll be effectively saying he feels he can turn them around.
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9/25/2010  8:07 PM
franco12 wrote:Melo wants it all- he wants to be in NY (or close), he doesn't want to wait and he wants to win and he wants his $65MM.

But, he can't have it all, so we'll see what is most important.

I think I'll respect him if he goes to NJ- because he'll be effectively saying he feels he can turn them around.

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Ill respect him if he comes to New York by the Trading deadline.

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9/25/2010  11:14 PM
This is turning into amateur hour with nuggs rookie gm. Melo don't got the stones lebron, bosh and amare got. Play the year out and be cool. Let Denver know what you plan is and of they want to handle it different that's their biz. It's about money and the rest is bull****.

Lot of bull**** being slung. Donnie is being cool. Dudes got other plans.
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9/26/2010  12:12 AM
I think the package NJ came up with is very good. Four team trades are pretty hard to workout. Denver's Gm is in a tough spot. If he trades Anthony he could ruin the franchise or put it in a much better position. There is a lot to be said for having a Walsh or Thorn run your team. It will be interesting to see if this goes down. If I was an NJ fan I would be fine either way. They need to turn assets into players but I wouldn't want to give up Favors if he was a Knick.
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9/26/2010  4:56 AM
The latest according to http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=As45WfgX1hGVAo7xNM9LYN28vLYF?slug=ys-anthonytrade092610 :

As Carmelo Anthony(notes) implored Denver management to keep exploring deals that would land him with the New York Knicks, the blockbuster trade that would’ve sent the All-Star forward to the New Jersey Nets has reached a perilous crossroads, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Saturday night.

Anthony’s willingness to accept a contract extension with the Nets has begun to deteriorate over the weekend, and sources said at least some part of his uneasiness has come from conversations with former Nets players around the league. Despite the Nets’ new ownership and a new arena, Anthony has been regaled with tales of empty seats, fan apathy and second-class citizenship in the shadows of the Knicks and Madison Square Garden. Already, he had been uneager about joining a team that wasn’t close to contention.

“He’s having second thoughts on Jersey,” one league source said. “He’s pushed [Denver] to explore other options.”

Although it's a bit of a mish mash and contradictory article- it's saying the deal is being held up because:

a) Melo doesn't want to go to the Nets
b) The Nuggets don't want to trade him because the GM wants to convince him to stay
c) The Nuggets don't want to trade him because they want to see if they can get a better deal
d) The Nets don't want to do the trade because they can't get a PG back

Ha, talk about covering all your bases- I think we can conclude that in actual fact the writer has no idea why the trade isn't going through yet, but is offering possible theories and pretending they are facts or inside information. Hopefully Melo has come to his senses and realised that playing for the Nets would be a terrible mistake. If it's true that the nuggets GM thinks he can still convince him to stay, then he clearly smokes too much crack to be an effective GM- you'd of thought he'd learnt his lessons from the Bosh debacle in Toronto. If the Nuggets are holding out because they think they can get a better deal, then the GM is smoking too much crack to be an effective GM- there is no way they're going to get a better deal from another team, so they should stop being so deluded and greedy.

The article then went on to say possible Knick trades, which I hope don't happen. I don't want to trade Gallo anyway, but if we traded him at this point, just days before we go to Italy, then it would make the Milan game very very akward.
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9/26/2010  5:18 AM
Another theory in http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24820267 is that Denver is just putting this trade out there to try and pressure the Knicks and Bulls into panicing and offering everything they have- it ain't working:

The anticipated avalanche of offers, however, did not appear to be forming Saturday. One team with an outside shot at getting Melo's approval was described by sources as "not trying." Also, an executive on the periphery of the talks described Denver's negotiating stance as "delusional."

Anthony's first choice, the Knicks, have the expiring contract of Eddy Curry and young players to offer, but lack the first-round picks Denver is seeking. However, team president Donnie Walsh is said to be in no frenzy to acquire an attractive first-rounder. Sources say Walsh is playing his own game of poker and is unwilling to jeopardize the progress he's made in rebuilding the Knicks' roster and cap position -- a monumental task over the past 2 1-2 years. He also knows that if Anthony wants to come to New York badly enough, he can arrange that as a free agent after the season.

The word "Delusional" makes me suspect that it was Larry Brown who's the second GM calling into question their negotiating stance.

If this trade doesn't go through and it was just a ploy by Denver, then they've played an unbelievably stupid game- they'll have p***ed off 3 other teams, who now have to explain things to the players involved right at the start of camp- not the best note to start things out on. Secondly if the trade doesn't get down, then Denvers bluff has been called and they are screwed from a negotiating stand point. Thirdly if Melo is still a Nugget for training camp, it's going to be very akward for everyone on that team, and if the fans kick up a stink with Melo and they start losing, then it forces the Nuggets to trade him earlier and for less.
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9/26/2010  9:04 AM
Knicks are offering Randolph Gallinari and Douglas--and what else? This is going to end up bad we haev anice team and were going to F it up I guarantee it.
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9/26/2010  9:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/26/2010  9:28 AM
I will be extremely unhappy if Donnie gives up BOTH Gallo and AR to land Melo. Clearly, if we fail to make this offer, it will be a cause celebre for Anu and Sergio, but will nevertheless be a smart move for our team's long-term growth. Hopefully, this is just CBS writers being ill-informed.

I would be okay with Curry, Gallo, and Chandler, since Gallo is redundant (hurts to admit it) and Chandler would have to be waived once his deal expires (plus he's replaceable). I would also be okay with substituting TD in place of Chandler, but not both.

Donnie should really man up here and call their bluff. It's pretty clear that Melo wants the Knicks and Bulls and nobody else. We ought to send Isaiah (j/k) for a Mafia style sit down with Leon Rose and Melo and ask the obvious question: "Carmello, why don't you just sign with the Knicks as a FA and have a really solid core to play with? You will easily make up your millions in endorsements AND, should you win the chip, will cement a legacy in NY sports that will make you far richer and more famous than anything you have imagined."
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9/26/2010  9:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Knicks are offering Randolph Gallinari and Douglas--and what else? This is going to end up bad we haev anice team and were going to F it up I guarantee it.

I'm reading they won't del with us and Donnie is playing it real cool. You should be happy.
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9/26/2010  9:52 AM
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Knicks are offering Randolph Gallinari and Douglas--and what else? This is going to end up bad we haev anice team and were going to F it up I guarantee it.

I'm reading they won't del with us and Donnie is playing it real cool. You should be happy.

No worries about DW--its IT.

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9/26/2010  10:06 AM
if we trade away all of thiose pieces and give melo 25per--that's it that's our teams with only the MLE to get better--Carmelo Anthony is not as good as Bernard King and King wasnt nearly good enought to carry the Knicks to a championship---even if you add in Amare Stuodemire

That's comitting OVER 40+mm on TWO players who have had injury issues--what kind of business move would that be---if it was lebron--thats different but Carmelo is NOT Lebron. Why cant we just drop it and let Melo play out the year--thats what i would do--either Chandler and multiple picks or play out the year./

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9/26/2010  10:16 AM
You have to make that trade. We just cannot lose Carmelo Anthony after losing out on LeCon and Dwyane Wade. There is no Plan B next summer either. Some of you say we wouldn't be able to keep improving the team with both Melo and Amar'e Stoudemire making a lot of money but how exactly do you plan on improving with all the cap space and no players to sign next summer?

And as much as some of you disagree, we're not losing much in this trade. Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Toney Douglas are not Stars and don't have the talent to be Stars. When we're playing in Game 7 in Miami in the ECF, nobody will even care or remember those three. Players like Gallo, Randolph and Douglas come and go. Just like Channing Frye and Trevor Ariza. Players like Melo are remembered.
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9/26/2010  10:30 AM
I don't think the Knicks HAVE to make any trade this year.. I think the longer nothing happens, the more obvious it is that he wants to play for the Knicks. Since he's from the area, I think he knows that the Nets will always be second rate to the Knicks. He might go there for a year, but I doubt he signs the extension there.

Or he does, and we still have a decent team to build with.
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