Vmart wrote:Briggs, I don't understand why you keep assuming that Randolph is going to be included in the deal. This Melo deal needs to happen and if parting with Gallo is part of the deal then it has to be done. Even if it is Gallo and Chandler it has to be done. The deal anyway you look at it has to be done. Melo needs to be a Knick. No one wants to give up young talent adding Melo gets the team into the playoffs and takes them deep into the playoffs. With Melo you have a player that requires attention with double teams and constant opposition focus on where he is, this allows Amare more room to operate. It gives the Knicks Knicks two players that require double teaming. Gallo doesn't require a double team.

This is a business and jobs are at stake and wins and losses are the results that everyone is measured by. Melo gets them more wins and secures Walsh's and MDA's job. So far Walsh has made deals that have been decent. I highly doubt that Walsh would trade Randolph and Gallo in a package. He is a shrewd dealer and knows what he is doing. Every move he makes has a solid back up plan.

The deal that is going to go down will include Gallo, Curry, Douglas and Fields and a future number one. The Nuggets are looking for young assets and cap relief.

No way--I have to think they are more savvy than that. Winning is a process and the free agency was spread over 2-3 years. I have to think D Walsh and Isiah wont let this happen. IT likes Chandler and i think the other 2 guys and I believe Walsh like Gallo and randolph. What anyone else thinks in the organization doesnt matter--and that is obvious. Walsh won at Indiana because he had a multitude of big guys that were ENHANCED by Reggie Miller. We have built up a nice supply of big men and now next fA we can enhance the very promising team we have built.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs, I don't understand why you keep assuming that Randolph is going to be included in the deal. This Melo deal needs to happen and if parting with Gallo is part of the deal then it has to be done. Even if it is Gallo and Chandler it has to be done. The deal anyway you look at it has to be done. Melo needs to be a Knick. No one wants to give up young talent adding Melo gets the team into the playoffs and takes them deep into the playoffs. With Melo you have a player that requires attention with double teams and constant opposition focus on where he is, this allows Amare more room to operate. It gives the Knicks Knicks two players that require double teaming. Gallo doesn't require a double team.

This is a business and jobs are at stake and wins and losses are the results that everyone is measured by. Melo gets them more wins and secures Walsh's and MDA's job. So far Walsh has made deals that have been decent. I highly doubt that Walsh would trade Randolph and Gallo in a package. He is a shrewd dealer and knows what he is doing. Every move he makes has a solid back up plan.

The deal that is going to go down will include Gallo, Curry, Douglas and Fields and a future number one. The Nuggets are looking for young assets and cap relief.

No way--I have to think they are more savvy than that. Winning is a process and the free agency was spread over 2-3 years. I have to think D Walsh and Isiah wont let this happen. IT likes Chandler and i think the other 2 guys and I believe Walsh like Gallo and randolph. What anyone else thinks in the organization doesnt matter--and that is obvious. Walsh won at Indiana because he had a multitude of big guys that were ENHANCED by Reggie Miller. We have built up a nice supply of big men and now next fA we can enhance the very promising team we have built.

First of all, BRIGGS stop mentioning the devil!!!

Next, The Godfather will not send all of that for Melo. Denver does not have any leverage. This is a buyers market since they are afraid to lose Melo South Beach style.

If this goes down this season then we only send Curry's contract, The Mayor, TD or Walker plus 2nd rd pick(s) for Melo.

Its not was Gallo has been but what he MIGHT turn into.

NOt a star, but the kind of glue player that does lots of things well and keeps defenders honest while Amare and Melo go off.

I got a trio of Forwards and Two wings.

Amare-AR-Gallo
Felton-Melo

Im not worried about who guards opponents Center cuz that dudes gonna be gassed in 5 minutes.

Who guards Shaq? We run Shaq off the court. Who guards Pau? We can handle him. who guards Big Baby? He is gassed in 6 minutes! Then let Turiaf help when we get in foul trouble. Who guards Dwight HOward? He'll be in foul trouble trying to keep up with our boys. Any of our guys can pull him out of the paint. If he wants to stay there, we'll shot the midrange.

Thats my hope.

I want Melo but AR and Gallo are Ute's I want to see develope. I want a present team but not at the expense of the future.

Melo should want to keep a knick team with as many assets as possible. It makes winning easier going forward.

But Melo wants his money too.

I hope Wheel Chair Walsh don't give it way like FDR did at Malta!

I know the Nuggs have to save face, but if Melo wants kNicks he won't sign with any other So it don't matter what Orlando offers. Besides, Denver won't take back Rash-hard Lewis. They have Birdman who is as good as Gortat. ONly Vinces contract is attractive but Melo and Rash-hard are redundant.

Only the Russian is our concern.

Eddy, Wilson, cash and Azbukake is my offer. 3 for one.

If we can, do they have any contracts they want to dump? WE got money! ALways got Dolans dumb ass money!

Melo is back channeling his way out.

Melo and Amare would make us a top 3 team. The thing is having Gallo and Randolph in the wings is essential to our future success because Amare's knees aren't going to last 4-5 years.

PresIke wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

smackeddog wrote:You know we can argue back and forth about what we think is a fair deal/ overpaying, but the truth is it's Denver that will decide, and I fully expect them to follow in Toronto's footsteps last season when they were so sure that they weren't losing Bosh they wouldn't even entertain offers, until amazingly the actual offseason itself, when they were STILL in a deluded state and thought that they could then trade Bosh to a team of their chosing and get back equal value. When teams are staring into the brink and about to lose their franchise player, they become arrogant and delusional. If we offered them Chandler+Curry, they will laugh at us, if we offer Gallo+Chandler+Curry, they will laugh at us (according to the not-very-reliable Hoopsworld when they asked about the Gallo+pick+Curry they got a text back saying "not even close to interested"), even if we offered AR+Gallo+Chandler+Curry, they would still laugh at us- I really don't see a deal being done, the Knicks and Nuggets are on two different planets right now, with what we're balking at including being now where near what the Nuggets are expecting. Really I hope we don't trade for him, and they lose him for nothing- screw these arrogant GM's and Denver fans who think we're such a lowly team with no talent that could dare grace their team.

I hope your are right about them not wanting any of our trade offers. Melo can join our team next year for the MAX.

problem with the wait idea is that apparently melo wants out now, rather than later.

if this is true.

I would also throw in Jerome Jordan and another 2nd round pick.
Or substitute Chandler for Gallo and add Bill Walker, depending upon what might work for Denver. But we don't have to gut the young talent.....just give something somewhat reasonable.

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs, I don't understand why you keep assuming that Randolph is going to be included in the deal. This Melo deal needs to happen and if parting with Gallo is part of the deal then it has to be done. Even if it is Gallo and Chandler it has to be done. The deal anyway you look at it has to be done. Melo needs to be a Knick. No one wants to give up young talent adding Melo gets the team into the playoffs and takes them deep into the playoffs. With Melo you have a player that requires attention with double teams and constant opposition focus on where he is, this allows Amare more room to operate. It gives the Knicks Knicks two players that require double teaming. Gallo doesn't require a double team.

This is a business and jobs are at stake and wins and losses are the results that everyone is measured by. Melo gets them more wins and secures Walsh's and MDA's job. So far Walsh has made deals that have been decent. I highly doubt that Walsh would trade Randolph and Gallo in a package. He is a shrewd dealer and knows what he is doing. Every move he makes has a solid back up plan.

The deal that is going to go down will include Gallo, Curry, Douglas and Fields and a future number one. The Nuggets are looking for young assets and cap relief.

Are you kidding me, they are not giving up all that for no Melo, I highly doubt the the Magic or the Knicks are gutting there young core, or anything of significants to get melo.

That would essentially rid you of any chance at a title run(this year), getting melo is more like getting the missing piece to solidfy your title chances, if you give up to much, whats the purpose..

I don't understand the thinking here. You want to sign Melo next year or wait to see how the young develop,there is a good chance you will lose a chance at him. Well to do that you would have to clear cap and that would mean losing players like Chandler, Azubuike and Curry to free agency. Your better off trading for Melo right now and get him on your books. This way you can at least offer Chandler or Azubuike a contract. Anyway you look at it to get Melo you are going to lose players in a trade or to free agency to create cap. I don't understand some of the logic here but I am not willing to sacrifice another year. I'm tired of playing the next year game. Melo is proven he fits the MDA system like a glove. If it were up to me this deal goes down. I'd be willing to throw Jerome Jordan in there too.

The Knicks are not really giving up a lot for Melo this is a very fair deal. This is Melo one of the top 5 wing players in the league you can't pass that up to see how some of our young develop. If your passing up on a chance at Melo then you guys are afraid of success. All I got to say is you have to match up with Miami, Orlando and Boston. You guys think to yourselves can we at this moment match up with these guys or hold our own against them. Melo gives you an opportunity to compete at the highest level.

I often said currently the Knicks are 36 win team at best until we see how they make out on the potential end. Maybe if things break right the Knicks see 40-45 wins. If Melo is on the team its easily a 50+ wins team.

The people who are purporting a melo trade are not dealing in reality. Denver will take calls from 29 teams--there will be a one up mentality--especially or for teams like Dallas Portland or even the Nets who could retain him. You're either going to have to give up the farm--Chandler Gallo AR Fields
pick. Anyone willing to give up that?

BRIGGS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs, I don't understand why you keep assuming that Randolph is going to be included in the deal. This Melo deal needs to happen and if parting with Gallo is part of the deal then it has to be done. Even if it is Gallo and Chandler it has to be done. The deal anyway you look at it has to be done. Melo needs to be a Knick. No one wants to give up young talent adding Melo gets the team into the playoffs and takes them deep into the playoffs. With Melo you have a player that requires attention with double teams and constant opposition focus on where he is, this allows Amare more room to operate. It gives the Knicks Knicks two players that require double teaming. Gallo doesn't require a double team.

This is a business and jobs are at stake and wins and losses are the results that everyone is measured by. Melo gets them more wins and secures Walsh's and MDA's job. So far Walsh has made deals that have been decent. I highly doubt that Walsh would trade Randolph and Gallo in a package. He is a shrewd dealer and knows what he is doing. Every move he makes has a solid back up plan.

The deal that is going to go down will include Gallo, Curry, Douglas and Fields and a future number one. The Nuggets are looking for young assets and cap relief.

Are you kidding me, they are not giving up all that for no Melo, I highly doubt the the Magic or the Knicks are gutting there young core, or anything of significants to get melo.

That would essentially rid you of any chance at a title run(this year), getting melo is more like getting the missing piece to solidfy your title chances, if you give up to much, whats the purpose..

I don't understand the thinking here. You want to sign Melo next year or wait to see how the young develop,there is a good chance you will lose a chance at him. Well to do that you would have to clear cap and that would mean losing players like Chandler, Azubuike and Curry to free agency. Your better off trading for Melo right now and get him on your books. This way you can at least offer Chandler or Azubuike a contract. Anyway you look at it to get Melo you are going to lose players in a trade or to free agency to create cap. I don't understand some of the logic here but I am not willing to sacrifice another year. I'm tired of playing the next year game. Melo is proven he fits the MDA system like a glove. If it were up to me this deal goes down. I'd be willing to throw Jerome Jordan in there too.

The Knicks are not really giving up a lot for Melo this is a very fair deal. This is Melo one of the top 5 wing players in the league you can't pass that up to see how some of our young develop. If your passing up on a chance at Melo then you guys are afraid of success. All I got to say is you have to match up with Miami, Orlando and Boston. You guys think to yourselves can we at this moment match up with these guys or hold our own against them. Melo gives you an opportunity to compete at the highest level.

I often said currently the Knicks are 36 win team at best until we see how they make out on the potential end. Maybe if things break right the Knicks see 40-45 wins. If Melo is on the team its easily a 50+ wins team.
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The people who are purporting a melo trade are not dealing in reality. Denver will take calls from 29 teams--there will be a one up mentality--especially or for teams like Dallas Portland or even the Nets who could retain him. You're either going to have to give up the farm--Chandler Gallo AR Fields
pick. Anyone willing to give up that?

if the nuggets trade him somewhere he doesn't want to be then he plays it out and we hold the upper hand a year from now.

Markji wrote:I would also throw in Jerome Jordan and another 2nd round pick.

I raise you yesterday's stale bread crusts, the eggs shells from this morning's breakfast, and my EuroRail pass from 1997. Come on bro. These things are not going to make or break a deal for Carmelo.

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:
The people who are purporting a melo trade are not dealing in reality. Denver will take calls from 29 teams--there will be a one up mentality--especially or for teams like Dallas Portland or even the Nets who could retain him. You're either going to have to give up the farm--Chandler Gallo AR Fields
pick. Anyone willing to give up that?

i disagree briggs.. melo is holding on the cards. if he gets traded somewhere he doesn't want to go, he's going to leave after this upcoming season. i think the price-tag on him is pretty moderate right now. it's either gallo or AR, but not both and definitely not chandler also.

Nah--I don't believe that. Teams don't operate like that. A team like LAC for example--they can give up Al Faroq Eric Bledsoe Ryan Gomes and 2 #1 picks--and absorb the rest of Melos contract. That puts Melo in LA to play with Baron Davis Kaman Eric Gordon etc...LA is LA my man and that teams would be good. Once hes in LA with a good team--he could easily like the lifestyle--its not cut and dry--your fantasying it. How about Portland--how about a number of teams? Portland could be a great teams with him and have the nice pieces to get a deal done.