Paladin55 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Paladin55 wrote:Pharzeone wrote:Paladin55 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Lopez is owning the Pistons tonight and it looks like the Nets are going to get another win. Lopez has 35 and 10 and has done a nice job passing out of the post.
What a difference a day makes... 2/11, 6 R in 30 minutes
I like Lopez, but Detroit's frontlne is hardly a "yardstick" opponent for judging Lopez as a player.
What does that say about our frontline? Because Lopez manage to punk us most of the time. Need I remind you that two of their 8 wins come against the Knicks where he was manhandling our frontline.
We have a guy playing out of position at the 5. Even Jeffries, a nice defender, was not a center. There's a reason why we sometimes get overwhelmed down low by bigger players. A motivated Darko would have been an interesting matchup for Lopez.
Ask yourself this fair question--other than perimeter shooting and ball handling--not passing--what else is Gallinari superior at compared to Lopez?
Lopez does have some mystical stinkers here and there[the last three on the back end of the B-B] but overall he's quite steady and very productive across the board. I think you put Lopez on this team and he is 21-10.5-2.3 2.7 53%--I think it's a fair prognostication.
Think about this stat--NJ is shooting 42% but Lopez is shooting over 50% on 14 shots per game and they take 79 as a team. That means without Lopez is they are shooting under 40%--unheard of in the NBA. Many teams focus on stopping Loping with double teams[like the Knicks] and for the most part his teammates have been unable to make opponents pay for it. Does Gallinari need double teaming? No Gallinari is sometimes guarded by guys 6-3. Gallinari has grabbed 3 rebounds or less 24 times this year at 6-10.5 and only avgs 1.5 assists in 33MPG[very poor number]--to be fair.
Briggs, you know that comparing the shooting %s of centers with players who don't operate out of the paint is a ridiculous thing to do. Most of his shots are within a few feet of the hoop, and he has had some people passing to him who make it easy for him to score at times.I know you don't do this with Lee, but funny how Lee is seen as a stat-padder by some but Lopez- the only consistent rebounder and post player in his lineup, and a great beneficiary of the pick and roll-is not criticized for being the same kind of player.
I've admitted that a case can be made for the Knicks taking Lopez. Hell, Briggs, why not make the case that he should have been the #2, 4, or 5th pick in his draft? Why didn't Miami or Minnesota take Lopez? A lot of teams saw him and passed on him. I don't know what the Knicks saw (or didn't see) in Lopez when they had him in for a look- but the Knicks, and many other teams thought a 7' center with some skills should not be a top 9 pick.
The only thing that really matters is that the draft is over, and Gallinari is a Knick.
Have we seen his game evolve this year? Yes
Has he shown himself to be infinitely better on D than anyone, including a Gallo suck-up like myself, thought? Yes
Does he seem to have some of the intangibles we look for in top players? Yes
Does he have room for improvement? Yes
Can I see him as a key component on a winning team with title aspirations? Yes
Can I see him as a leader on a top team competing for a title? Yes
Will he be a leader of a top team competing for a title? Maybe, but who knows.
Does he seem to have the intelligence, desire, and talent to be an upper tier player? Yes
Will he be an upper tier player someday? Maybe, but who knows?
Should we be happy that we got Gallinari and did not end up with Beasley, Love, Alexander, Augustin, Bayless, Thompson, Randolph (sorry man),Rush, and maybe even Mayo...? Yes, IMHO.
At this time, subject to change (for everyone)- the only guys in his draft I would have been happier, or as happy, with are Rose, Westbrook, Gordon, and B. Lopez, and I see nothing about these 4 players which makes me think that Gallinari could not be as good or better than them someday. I will also admit that Beasley, Love, Thompson, Randolph, and Mayo, as well as the 4 players just mentioned, may end up being better than Gallo if he does not make the improvements in his game which I expect him to make.
Paladin, that was a hell of a post.. I agree 100%