Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas has owned D'Antoni since he's been given significant playing time. We're playing much better with him at point.

Pretty much. If you are Donnie Walsh it should be alarming but it won't be because of the euphoria of what the recent winning brings.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas has owned D'Antoni since he's been given significant playing time. We're playing much better with him at point.

He looks good and he looks confident in his ability. He did not start off great with his jumper today, but he did everything else well and the jumper finally came around.

He has a great midrange shot, which I hope he can use more often coming off of picks.

He has to get at least 35 MPG, good or bad, for the rest of the year.

Very exciting to watch him develop.

kam77 wrote:Just remember that Mardy Collins looked good too late in the year.

C'mon man. Why would you say that? Mardy Collins? Really?

First off I remember when Mardy played well....it was well for Mardy's standards. In reality I still thought he sucked ass. He didn't fool me. Mardy does not have the skills Douglas have. He has no jumper and no handle. Douglas has both, although the jumper still needs work. Mardy was a solid defender, Douglas is an above average defender. Douglas has a better, tougher mentality and a much higher basketball IQ.

I'm sorry but there's no comparison. One is forever going to be a scrub. The other has a chance to be a really good PG in this league.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas has owned D'Antoni since he's been given significant playing time. We're playing much better with him at point.

Pretty much. If you are Donnie Walsh it should be alarming but it won't be because of the euphoria of what the recent winning brings.

So much revisionist history. It was shown pretty conclusively early in the season that TD wasn't ready to be PG. He couldn't set up anyone to save his life. To be honest he didn't look that much improved tonight.

Duhon set people up? I mean besides David Lee.

Toney didn't play that much to accurately assess whether he can "set people up" or not. He should have been playing way more. Young guys need playing time to develop. We had nothing to lose. Our team sucked. The fact that Duhon was still starting after we went 1-9 shows that Mike didn't know what he was doing with the PG position. He doesn't trust rookies and instead just goes with utter crap because it's a veteran.

nice to see guys like gallo putting the game away, with a drive for a foul and a dagger three..

nice to see chandler play a compsed and efficient game

Nice to see lee hit the boards and not take 18 shots..

good win.. on the road..

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas has owned D'Antoni since he's been given significant playing time. We're playing much better with him at point.

Pretty much. If you are Donnie Walsh it should be alarming but it won't be because of the euphoria of what the recent winning brings.

So much revisionist history. It was shown pretty conclusively early in the season that TD wasn't ready to be PG. He couldn't set up anyone to save his life. To be honest he didn't look that much improved tonight.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas has owned D'Antoni since he's been given significant playing time. We're playing much better with him at point.

Pretty much. If you are Donnie Walsh it should be alarming but it won't be because of the euphoria of what the recent winning brings.

So much revisionist history. It was shown pretty conclusively early in the season that TD wasn't ready to be PG. He couldn't set up anyone to save his life. To be honest he didn't look that much improved tonight.

Can you give one reason why he shouldn't have played earlier in the season? It was pretty clear all season that the guy getting most of the minutes at the point shouldn't have been getting them. It was also pretty clear after the 1-9 start that this team was not playing for anything.

Come on now. You can never expect the NY Knicks to give up on a season so early in the game. I understand the desire to see kids like TD, but TD wasn't ready and his stats prove it. Go and look at his game log and you can see how he played even when he got lots of minutes. There were games where TD looked good offensively and didn't do well in running the offense. This is the best we've seen him consistently play as a real PG. He had a couple of games where he got 6 assists and looked good, but he never showed any consistency in looking for his teammates 1st. We're all happy that he's doing his thing and I hope it keeps going, cuz we need him.

Pharzeone wrote:So wait a minute. We are trying to figure out why come a guy who played on 547 minutes in a season in those 41 games did not get 5 assist in those games. What's next? Why didn't Curry average 10 rebounds this season. What type of logic is that. How many players do you know that average 5 assist getting 10 minutes a game?

On your advice, Nix, I did go back and check the game logs and noted that in the months of November, December, January and February, Douglas average a total of 12.9 minutes (not including last night's game). Let me repeat 12.9 minutes and in those 12.9 minutes he played the majority of his minutes at the off-guard position with Duhon running point. Where does that factor in him not getting at least 5 assist per game.

After the all-star break, really late February and March, Douglas has gotten 200 of his 547 minutes (excuse me for a sec...LOL). In those 14 minutes (5 games in Feb.) he averaged 1 assist per game. In 18 minutes (6 games in March) he has averaged 3 assist per game. So why the big difference? In February he was used primarily as an off-guard to Duhon and Robinson.

Only two rookie point guards taken in the 1st round have less minutes than Douglas, Beaubois from Dallas and Teague from Atlanta. Their minutes are 546 and 538 respectively. Douglas passed them his last two games. Each of those point guards appeared in more games than Douglas. Now what is wrong with this picture? Are the Knicks in the playoff hunt and I didn't know about it?

This guy didn't put up huge assist numbers because the coach never put him in the position to do so. See Duhon for explanation.

is this arg down to one side saying td wasnt good early on therefor mike shouldnt be blamed for not playing him?

Pharzeone wrote:So wait a minute. We are trying to figure out why come a guy who played on 547 minutes in a season in those 41 games did not get 5 assist in those games. What's next? Why didn't Curry average 10 rebounds this season. What type of logic is that. How many players do you know that average 5 assist getting 10 minutes a game?

On your advice, Nix, I did go back and check the game logs and noted that in the months of November, December, January and February, Douglas average a total of 12.9 minutes (not including last night's game). Let me repeat 12.9 minutes and in those 12.9 minutes he played the majority of his minutes at the off-guard position with Duhon running point. Where does that factor in him not getting at least 5 assist per game.

After the all-star break, really late February and March, Douglas has gotten 200 of his 547 minutes (excuse me for a sec...LOL). In those 14 minutes (5 games in Feb.) he averaged 1 assist per game. In 18 minutes (6 games in March) he has averaged 3 assist per game. So why the big difference? In February he was used primarily as an off-guard to Duhon and Robinson.

Only two rookie point guards taken in the 1st round have less minutes than Douglas, Beaubois from Dallas and Teague from Atlanta. Their minutes are 546 and 538 respectively. Douglas passed them his last two games. Each of those point guards appeared in more games than Douglas. Now what is wrong with this picture? Are the Knicks in the playoff hunt and I didn't know about it?

This guy didn't put up huge assist numbers because the coach never put him in the position to do so. See Duhon for explanation.

Don't use average minutes to try and excuse his assist numbers. Look at the actual games and you'll see that even in many games where he played more than 12 minutes he still didn't get a lot of assists. In Nov. he got some good looks. Also in Dec. & Nov. there's no way they would hand the team over to a kid with no experience even in college playing like a pure point. Much less playing in a PG heavy offense like MDA's.

TD didn't have the thing down early on. He was getting advice and trying to learn how to do more pure PG things. The guy is a combo guard that really only has experience as a scorer and not a big floor general assist guy. Now a lot of that had to do with how he was used in College and the fact that they needed him to score. Still he had to learn to change his thought process from shoot 1st to pass 1st and that can take time. Learning to master the pick n roll and get the timing down is something you work on in practice until you get it. Real games aren't for trying things out.

Why does it have to be some kind of conspiracy on the part of MDA to hold TD back? Why can't it be that the kid came in raw as a PG and needed to learn before he could really be trusted to run the offense? He still has more to learn, but he's making progress. That's all we want to see, so there's no harm.