TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

who is it? GK? now that u mention it i have noticed there's several "new member" screennames i've seen pop up in recent weeks that post like they're longtime veterans of these forums

Based on the David Lee hate, it's easy to tell that Childs2Dudley is GKF. I don't pay attention to juice though, so I wouldn't know if it's trueblue or not.

BRIGGS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:LOL Hill finish with the same amount of assist as Brooks which is two more than Martin. Those guys never pass.

Phazerzone--how come none of these journalists who work for the local papers can come up with who actually was the main guy responsible for the moves. I know D Walsh will say its him--but at 68 and making mm$$ he's going to say a company line. Are any of these journalists good enough to get the real scoop?

At this point, I have to admit it is hard for me to tell. I knew in the Isiah and Layden eras that Dolan's influence was heavy. Layden wanted to rebuild and Dolan ran him down. Made him make ridiculous trades making sure to ship Camby and Spree off because they "disrespected" him. Isiah says at his introductory speech that he wants to rebuild and Dolan cuts him off during the press conference talking about it's about making the playoffs right now. Dolan was behind getting Marbury (ESPN, Colangelo confirmed that Layden hinted at the same deal Isiah struck), getting Wilkens, firing Wilkens, getting Brown, firing Brown. Everyone said that he was going to step back with Walsh but now we hear Dolan's name. It's like he enjoys playing good cop, bad cop. I think some of these writers think they know what's going on but who knows. I know in the end with no Lebron or Wade, Walsh like his predecessors will take the fall.

Pharzeone wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

I missed all the fun

You too Windsor?? But which one are you? Hmm... Damn we can play Mystery with all these disguises.

Bad phrasing on my part. I meant to say I was not there when all this fun was going on. I am recently new to this site and only had one handle, this one.

TMS wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:Houston is going against Washington tonight.
Top Performers
Houston
Jordan Hill 3-3, 9 Pts 6 Rebs, 2 Assists
Washington
Andray Blatche 7-14, 14 Pts 2 Rebs, 0 Assists

Game is in the 3rd quarter.

11 pts / 7 reb (4 offensive) / 2 ast in 23 min. on 4 of 5 shooting & 3 of 4 from the FT line (+13)

FWD to 0:27 & see how active this kid is on the boards.

http://www.nba.com/games/20100309/HOUWAS/gameinfo.html#

yyyep, sure looks like a bust to me.

This is why I say Walsh has to be fired if we don't get Lebron and Bosh. I mean, that trade with Houston was on an Isiah-type level of stupidity. No, it was on a McHale level of stupidity. We could have traded Jeffries last year for the cost of Nate or our draft pick. Instead, Walsh waits to the last minute and basically bends over for Houston. AND we give up Hill, who I liked, in the process. I really don't know what these guys that are calling Hill a scrub are seeing. That kid shoots better and has more developed post moves that some 6-7 year PF veterans in this league. If he can add 15 lbs of muscle and improve his understanding of where to be on the floor, that kid can be a starter in this league and we just gave him away.

I cannot wait until July 1. We are either going to get Lebron and Bosh, or we are going to get to FIRE WALSH AND MDA!!! Either way, we can hopefully move on to some more competent people.

He could prove to one day be a decent backup.

Do you retain a 'decent backup' and lose your shot at building a monster team?

Do you not even take a shot at building a great team and instead build it around Jordan Hill?

No, you don't.

We didn't trade the next Tim Duncan, fellas, we traded a scrub that could work his way into "serviceable" category. You don't build winners around such players. You also don't let them step in the way of even a 1% chance of signing multiple all-star caliber players.

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic---calm down. You must be a member of the Knicks marketing dept.Guess what Jordan Hill is good and we didnt have one iota of common sense to give him 25 minuted for 10 games to see how he would play--why because schmucks run the team starting with the King Scmuck Dolan. I don't blame Walsh here--this is MDA and Dolan. But Cosmic--here is soem good advice--calm down with the Jordan Hill scks stuff because the foot will insert into the mouth even deeper.

You're right. He was franchise talent and we let him get away. What was I thinking. We finally scored a cornerstone in the draft and we just threw him away. Stupid Knicks.

:/

C-Hill
F-Feshenko
F-Lee
G-Chandler
G-Weems

....sit back and let the rings roll in.

Marv wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Hill's not going to "explode".

He could prove to one day be a decent backup.

Do you retain a 'decent backup' and lose your shot at building a monster team?

Do you not even take a shot at building a great team and instead build it around Jordan Hill?

No, you don't.

We didn't trade the next Tim Duncan, fellas, we traded a scrub that could work his way into "serviceable" category. You don't build winners around such players. You also don't let them step in the way of even a 1% chance of signing multiple all-star caliber players.

oh yes you do. if you don't have an under the table deal in place and you’ve made that trade then your employment should be on the line based on delivery. you can get all the glory if it flies but you deserve the dump if it doesn’t.

What was Jordan Hill going to do for the Knicks losing?

All-star stud center that makes re-signing David Lee a no-brainer? Franchise cornerstone?

I mean, what is it with this kid that has some of you guys so fascinated with him? So upset over losing him?

IMO, we dumped Mikki Moore - and MAYBE JUST MAYBE we let a more passive Kurt Thomas go.

But, reading some posts and opinions it sounds like we let the next Tim Duncan go.

I don't see it and I don't get it.

Jordan Hill is a mediocre player. Dime a dozen.

You don't build a team using Jordan Hill - you acquire one to be a backup big man down the road to "fill out the roster."

But I guess some of you really see something in him. I fail to.

And no, if you had a 1% chance at signing LeBron - but 0% chance if you retain Hill - then you dump a Jordan Hill and take the 1% shot at a franchise player.

You don't let a backup mediocre kid stand in the way of potentially acquiring a franchise cornerstone. At least, I wouldn't.

Marv wrote:

it's hill PLUS a #1 PLUS a swapping of a #1.

hill didn’t have a chance to develop here. you may not like what you saw in his potential but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the potential to develop. the write-off is yours and yours alone. you’re certainly entitled to it but it doesn’t mean you’re correct in your assumption.

The extra pick is too much but the picks don't make Jordan Hill a good player or not. That's a different argument.

Meanwhile I have said what I have to say on this guy. He's nothing special. So I'll just leave one more thing about him.

Cosmic wrote:

Marv wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Hill's not going to "explode".

He could prove to one day be a decent backup.

Do you retain a 'decent backup' and lose your shot at building a monster team?

Do you not even take a shot at building a great team and instead build it around Jordan Hill?

No, you don't.

We didn't trade the next Tim Duncan, fellas, we traded a scrub that could work his way into "serviceable" category. You don't build winners around such players. You also don't let them step in the way of even a 1% chance of signing multiple all-star caliber players.

oh yes you do. if you don't have an under the table deal in place and you’ve made that trade then your employment should be on the line based on delivery. you can get all the glory if it flies but you deserve the dump if it doesn’t.

What was Jordan Hill going to do for the Knicks losing?

All-star stud center that makes re-signing David Lee a no-brainer? Franchise cornerstone?

I mean, what is it with this kid that has some of you guys so fascinated with him? So upset over losing him?

IMO, we dumped Mikki Moore - and MAYBE JUST MAYBE we let a more passive Kurt Thomas go.

But, reading some posts and opinions it sounds like we let the next Tim Duncan go.

I don't see it and I don't get it.

Jordan Hill is a mediocre player. Dime a dozen.

You don't build a team using Jordan Hill - you acquire one to be a backup big man down the road to "fill out the roster."

But I guess some of you really see something in him. I fail to.

And no, if you had a 1% chance at signing LeBron - but 0% chance if you retain Hill - then you dump a Jordan Hill and take the 1% shot at a franchise player.

You don't let a backup mediocre kid stand in the way of potentially acquiring a franchise cornerstone. At least, I wouldn't.

Here is the problem Cosmic--people are annoyed that Jordan Hill didn't get a chance. When you were a little boy did you leave you X mas gifts in the wrappings and throw them out 5 months later? Do you have any history posting where you evaluated a player based on such small content and were proven correct? I didn't love the Jordan Hill pick but I also didn't hate it. I think that he deserved to play and it's a disgrace that a 20 win team didn't do that. You are making proclamations that he scks based on nothing. I guess in your mind if you don't put up 20-10 the first 5 minutes you're on the court--you sck? Yes we have to let the trade workout--see if there was indeed a smart move at the end of the tunnel--because we gave away a TON imho. But to justify the trade by saying Jordan Hill scks doesn't make any common sense and there is no factual basis behind it. I have much more reasonable basis to say James Dolan is the worst owner in sports history and MDA gas shown nothing without Steve Nash--in fact he's should be graded D- so far. Jordan Hill with the Knicks--I didnt see him play--and guess what I don't think very highly of the people who didnt let him play.

What I would like to know is who is responsible for the trade. I think D walsh is more of an adviser--I dont think he is GM--one of those stooge GM's behind the scenes--MDA Dolan maybe Isiah Thomas? who made the call--who set up the parameters. Does anyone doubt that IT may still have Dolan s ear?