orangeblobman wrote:

oohah wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks need some rest and they will be back fresh.

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orangeblobman wrote:ha, gallo CRUSH yi, i guarantee that with my life. i read the other thread and is true what someone point out, yi sucks. 2 dimes in 184 minutes??

Explain.

oohah

sometimes good teams lose games. the recent trend is still a winning team and they will continue to kick butt. no worries.

Okay, first I want you to realize that Yi Jianlian is a more talented player than Gallinari. Taller, more athletic, more agile, more potential, not as good a shooter, but still a very good shooter. I'm not saying he will be better (but I think he will be), but his talent is definitely greater. Yi has incredible talent actually.

Second, you guaranteed that Gallinari would play better than Yi with your LIFE. But now you're posting excuses and contradictions! admit that you were wrong, or that's bad business.

oohah

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Lee worked hard but at times looked like a small four trying to defend Lopez. The Nets may have something in Yi after all. I knew he was talented but he played a tremendous all around game tonight. I think MDA needs to loosen up his rotation when his team is going up against a big time center like Lopez. Curry, Hill, or Darko should have gotten some run tonight. Hill should have seen some minutes at least in the fourth quarter.

an inconsistent player...

I am not sure about Yi being inconsistent. If you are willing to give Gallo a chance I think you have to do the same for Yi. I watch alot of Net games and Yi played really well the first couple of games this year but then missed 20+. I have heard that part of his improvement is his increased understanding of English compared to a year ago. He looked like the guy in the highlights they showed at the draft three years ago tonight.

i agree w/u CrushAlot... i don't get the Yi bashing that's going on in this forum, if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now... Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age... i saw an aggressive kid in the post & he was calling for the ball all night... totally owned whoever was guarding him... kid is developing some very nice skills over there, a nice low post game now to go along w/his perimeter shooting ability... even blocked a couple shots in impressive fashion... he's got some Chris Bosh like skills from what i can see, he just needs to be consistent just like any young player including Gallo, who was absolutely horrible tonight.

and that is my problem with yi.. he will have a bunch of games like gallo had tonight, and then get injured... I saw him do this last year..I don't think he is a smart player at all. he will have his games, and his stretch of good games, but I don't expect much from yi.... that is just me..

if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now.

gallo had about 12 games better than this, and when we gushed about it, we were pretty much told to calm down.. LOL..

Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age

he has played 8 games all year.. don't know how much you can get outof that.. plus for his age? you know yi is really reported to be 25 and not 22.. seems to be the thing for a lot of the chinese in the olympics... they said yi falsified his age to play on the junior team longer.... I was skeptical about this cat for a while.. but hey.. good for him.. He is finally playing up to his age I guess.. LOL

orangeblobman wrote:
First, you're insane if you believe Yi is more talented or has more potential. There is no need to even discuss this because it is so asinine. Keep in mind that Yi is also 25 years old to Gallo's 21.

Second, get off me, son.

Asinine is guaranteeing that Gallinari will bust Jianlian's ass with your LIFE then trying to pretend you didn't and making excuses simultaneously.

Second, Yi is 22 years old according to the NBA http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yi_jianlian/index.html

Third, the reason you don't want to discuss whether or not Yi JianLian is more talented than Gallinari is because you really can't define any way that Gallinari is better than Yi outside of long range shooting!

Fourth, anybody who doesn't have a dried turd for a brain can look at Yi's statistical production over his career and see that Yi Jianlian has at the very least equivalent production to Gallinari without being featured the way Gallinari has -- Here's a hint for you: pay attention to the minutes played vs. production: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4284

Own you later!

oohah

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Lee worked hard but at times looked like a small four trying to defend Lopez. The Nets may have something in Yi after all. I knew he was talented but he played a tremendous all around game tonight. I think MDA needs to loosen up his rotation when his team is going up against a big time center like Lopez. Curry, Hill, or Darko should have gotten some run tonight. Hill should have seen some minutes at least in the fourth quarter.

an inconsistent player...

I am not sure about Yi being inconsistent. If you are willing to give Gallo a chance I think you have to do the same for Yi. I watch alot of Net games and Yi played really well the first couple of games this year but then missed 20+. I have heard that part of his improvement is his increased understanding of English compared to a year ago. He looked like the guy in the highlights they showed at the draft three years ago tonight.

i agree w/u CrushAlot... i don't get the Yi bashing that's going on in this forum, if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now... Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age... i saw an aggressive kid in the post & he was calling for the ball all night... totally owned whoever was guarding him... kid is developing some very nice skills over there, a nice low post game now to go along w/his perimeter shooting ability... even blocked a couple shots in impressive fashion... he's got some Chris Bosh like skills from what i can see, he just needs to be consistent just like any young player including Gallo, who was absolutely horrible tonight.

and that is my problem with yi.. he will have a bunch of games like gallo had tonight, and then get injured... I saw him do this last year..I don't think he is a smart player at all. he will have his games, and his stretch of good games, but I don't expect much from yi.... that is just me..

if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now.

gallo had about 12 games better than this, and when we gushed about it, we were pretty much told to calm down.. LOL..

Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age

he has played 8 games all year.. don't know how much you can get outof that..

i've said before i still prefer Gallo over Yi because of other factors than just his talent... i like Gallo's gumption & his competitiveness, & i've been as encouraged as anyone else when Gallo has a good game, u know this... he's real mature for a kid his age & i like his instincts on the floor... still, talent wise i don't see much of a difference there... i think Yi has some very impressive skills & there's really no telling how much of a ceiling he's got at this point... some things he did tonight made me think Chris Bosh... i haven't watched him play as much as you have so i'll defer somewhat to your judgement but i think he's a good young player in his own right & would love to have him on my team anyday.

tkf wrote:

yi's DOB has been in question for a while.. the cat is 25, not 22..

This constant questioning of foreign player's dates of birth is just another ugly American habit of cultural bias. Don't pretend you know Yi Jianlian's age because some journalist for Sports Illustrated China wants a story.

The NBA says Yi Jianlian is 22, and as far as I am concerned that beats any muckraking journalism.

Regardless, Jianlian's production has been at least equivalent to Gallinari's since he entered the NBA whther he was 19 years old or 21-22 years old. But if you want to believe he is a different age, suit yourself! It proves nothing on any front.

oohah

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Lee worked hard but at times looked like a small four trying to defend Lopez. The Nets may have something in Yi after all. I knew he was talented but he played a tremendous all around game tonight. I think MDA needs to loosen up his rotation when his team is going up against a big time center like Lopez. Curry, Hill, or Darko should have gotten some run tonight. Hill should have seen some minutes at least in the fourth quarter.

an inconsistent player...

I am not sure about Yi being inconsistent. If you are willing to give Gallo a chance I think you have to do the same for Yi. I watch alot of Net games and Yi played really well the first couple of games this year but then missed 20+. I have heard that part of his improvement is his increased understanding of English compared to a year ago. He looked like the guy in the highlights they showed at the draft three years ago tonight.

i agree w/u CrushAlot... i don't get the Yi bashing that's going on in this forum, if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now... Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age... i saw an aggressive kid in the post & he was calling for the ball all night... totally owned whoever was guarding him... kid is developing some very nice skills over there, a nice low post game now to go along w/his perimeter shooting ability... even blocked a couple shots in impressive fashion... he's got some Chris Bosh like skills from what i can see, he just needs to be consistent just like any young player including Gallo, who was absolutely horrible tonight.

and that is my problem with yi.. he will have a bunch of games like gallo had tonight, and then get injured... I saw him do this last year..I don't think he is a smart player at all. he will have his games, and his stretch of good games, but I don't expect much from yi.... that is just me..

if Gallo had a night like he had tonight we'd all be gushing right now.

gallo had about 12 games better than this, and when we gushed about it, we were pretty much told to calm down.. LOL..

Yi's putting up more than respectable #'s this year for a kid his age

he has played 8 games all year.. don't know how much you can get outof that..

i've said before i still prefer Gallo over Yi because of other factors than just his talent... i like Gallo's gumption & his competitiveness, & i've been as encouraged as anyone else when Gallo has a good game, u know this... he's real mature for a kid his age & i like his instincts on the floor... still, talent wise i don't see much of a difference there... i think Yi has some very impressive skills & there's really no telling how much of a ceiling he's got at this point... some things he did tonight made me think Chris Bosh... i haven't watched him play as much as you have so i'll defer somewhat to your judgement but i think he's a good young player in his own right & would love to have him on my team anyday.

I feel you, but the thing about Yi, and I was skeptical after following him in NJ last year, is that YI is what he is. I don't see the upside many do. I think Yi's game is finally catching up with his age... Yi from what I heard is really 25 years old... even draft express has him listed at 25.. his age has been disputed for years.. even so, he can be a very solid player. Just don't see his upside being anything more than a solid player who can look very good at times.... and that is really not a bad thing..

oohah wrote:

tkf wrote:Draft express even has Yi listed at 25..

Wow even Draft express!? Who could question that!?! Well, that certainly trumps the NBA! My apologies.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Jianlian is 25. What does that prove in regard to who has more talent between he and Gallinari?

oohah

not just draft express, why ignore the other artitcle I posted. I can also get a chinese magazine that proves he is 25...

what is proves from a talent aspect is the level of upside.. yi is pretty much what he is going to be.. and if that is the equivalent of gallanari, then fine, but 4 years from now, I am pretty sure gallo will be better than Yi is right now at 25...

You think the NBA really investigates these guys ages? that is up to the teams... Heck MLB has had a huge problem with a lot of these foreign players ages, rafel furcal to name one, and alfonso soriano... so you can try to come off like some sarcastic kid... doesn't change the fact that this guy's age has been in question and since you posted this:

Second, Yi is 22 years old according to the NBA http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yi_jianlian/index.html

I thought a little more insight into the matter would be beneficial, especially when you are taking such a condescending tone....

oohah wrote:

TMS wrote:
i've said before i still prefer Gallo over Yi because of other factors than just his talent... i like Gallo's gumption & his competitiveness, & i've been as encouraged as anyone else when Gallo has a good game, u know this... he's real mature for a kid his age & i like his instincts on the floor... still, talent wise i don't see much of a difference there... i think Yi has some very impressive skills & there's really no telling how much of a ceiling he's got at this point... some things he did tonight made me think Chris Bosh... i haven't watched him play as much as you have so i'll defer somewhat to your judgement but i think he's a good young player in his own right & would love to have him on my team anyday.

When it comes to pure talent I don't see how one couldn't say Jianlian is not more talented than Gallinari. Jianlian is taller, faster, jumps higher, is quicker, more agile, is a better rebounder, Goes to the rack better and has a midrange game, similar ball-handling skills, and plays better defense.

Still, Jianlian has not put it all together yet - and he might not ever, but his talent is exceptional.

oohah

Yi may have more raw physical ability than Gallo, but talent wise i think they're about even... i don't think u can gloss over the fact that Gallo has shown more of a penchant to share the ball & has also shown an ability to block shots... he's also pretty good at getting to the hole when he puts his mind into taking his man off the dribble, & i think he's a better shooter... Yi is not an instinctual passer of the ball as u can clearly see from the lack of assists he's put up, he's more of a scorer, which is fine too... Yi obviously has a more polished post game than Gallo... still, i think Gallo has shown more in his year & a half in the NBA than Yi has in his first 2 seasons... i'd still rather have Gallo than Yi overall, but i think both have a chance to become very good players & couldn't really tell u who has the bigger upside at this point.

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:
I feel you, but the thing about Yi, and I was skeptical after following him in NJ last year, is that YI is what he is. I don't see the upside many do. I think Yi's game is finally catching up with his age... Yi from what I heard is really 25 years old... even draft express has him listed at 25.. his age has been disputed for years.. even so, he can be a very solid player. Just don't see his upside being anything more than a solid player who can look very good at times.... and that is really not a bad thing..

not much development in his game between his rookie season & last year but since he returned to action this year he's strung together 4 very impressive games in succession... that could be an anomaly or that could be the sign of him begining to break out, but judging from what i saw tonight, he's got some very tantalizing skills that could be a nice fit on a team like ours... he'd probably be a pretty nice fit next to Gallo at that because of the things he can do at the PF position.

for me, nex to gallo, I would rather see an amare type player. but with better defense.. I was hoping Hill could be that player, but so far, he can't get off dantoni's bench.. go figure..

would love to see Hill get a chance too... him & Gallo in the frontcourt would make a nice tandem, i agree.

tkf wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:18 - 12 - 8 crazy stat line from Lee in a game in which he was manhandled by Lopez

What do you take from that?

i take from it that they're both good players.

I take that lee should not have taken 20 shots and should have been looking to outwork lopez and keep him off the board.. lees 24 points were useless in that, we could have gotten some of those points from chandler... we needed lee to keep lopez out of the lane... make him work hard... lee trying to be a main option offensively in a game like this is not necessary.

Cmon Terry, do you really believe all yr long our players on 1 yr contracts are going to continue to play team ball? The players under one yr contracts understand Walsh and Danphoney are focused on big names free agents knowing they might not be around next yr. These guys know it's a business and will start to do what's best for them.

Guys like Harrington and Lee will take more shots(playing for a new contract) in games.

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:18 - 12 - 8 crazy stat line from Lee in a game in which he was manhandled by Lopez

What do you take from that?

i take from it that they're both good players.

I take that lee should not have taken 20 shots and should have been looking to outwork lopez and keep him off the board.. lees 24 points were useless in that, we could have gotten some of those points from chandler... we needed lee to keep lopez out of the lane... make him work hard... lee trying to be a main option offensively in a game like this is not necessary.

Cmon Terry, do you really believe all yr long our players on 1 yr contracts are going to continue to play team ball? The players under one yr contracts understand Walsh and Danphoney are focused on big names free agents knowing they might not be around next yr. These guys know it's a business and will start to do what's best for them.

Guys like Harrington and Lee will take more shots(playing for a new contract) in games.

playa you should open up to reality just a little bit.

those 2 players shot a combined 22-39 last night. between them they had 9 assists, 24 boards (22 defensive), 2 steals and 5 blocks. they're playing team ball and all-around ball.