McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

tell em why you mad sun

"that double nickels ****, it was aight...but hill's putback dunks is more jonblaze then that"

not mad at all... but you guys make it sound like Jennings was no brainer and he wasnt. There were a lot of good reasons the Knicks didnt draft him. Its easy to play arm chair QB

and 99% of those good reasons were based on a stereotype

These were all facts at the time of the draft. You cant even argue #6 as a stereotype either because that stupid youtube vid he had out there shows him as a 19 year old kid with a whole lotta growing up to do.

Jennings is playing great right now. Off the charts and he's winning games doing it. When that team is healthy they are pretty talented with Bogut and Redd, so the winning isnt just Jennings.

That being said if the Knicks drafted him and he flopped you guys would KILLING KILLING KILLING Walsh for picking a shoot first PG that weighes 170 pounds and shot 38% overseas and is totally immature.

Bucks rolled the dice and it looks like they got lucky, thats the bottom line. Good for them.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:I must say that it wasn't clear to anyone that Jennings was ready to run a team nor when that would be! Anyone that says they knew he'd be this good is lying. High school video combined with his Euro play showed great potential but nothing else. He seemed like more a project as a PG to me. It's easy to look
at how he's doing now and say we should've taken him but if we did and he struggled to actually run the team here there would be plenty of impatient negative posts asking why we took a chance on a small guard that never showed he could run a team.

exactly... you can be pissed all you want that we missed out on Jennings. Anyone here that wants to say they predicted this is lying, cause he didnt show this. He wasnt even as good as Telfair coming out of HS

YEA, everyone can act like they predicted this, but they didn't. If so, then why all the hype and wishing we had the first pick to grab griffin? At this rate, according to most, jennings is headed straight to stardom. We can't say the same thing about griffen.. So why aren't we hearing that the clippers made the wrong pick as well?

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:I must say that it wasn't clear to anyone that Jennings was ready to run a team nor when that would be! Anyone that says they knew he'd be this good is lying. High school video combined with his Euro play showed great potential but nothing else. He seemed like more a project as a PG to me. It's easy to look
at how he's doing now and say we should've taken him but if we did and he struggled to actually run the team here there would be plenty of impatient negative posts asking why we took a chance on a small guard that never showed he could run a team.

exactly... you can be pissed all you want that we missed out on Jennings. Anyone here that wants to say they predicted this is lying, cause he didnt show this. He wasnt even as good as Telfair coming out of HS

YEA, everyone can act like they predicted this, but they didn't. If so, then why all the hype and wishing we had the first pick to grab griffin? At this rate, according to most, jennings is headed straight to stardom. We can't say the same thing about griffen.. So why aren't we hearing that the clippers made the wrong pick as well?

or SAC, or Minny TWICE, or GSW.

to be fair though, it was pretty slim pickings at 8, Jennings would have been no more a gamble than Hill and i think that's what hurts ppl the most.

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

LOL. Probably true.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:did Jennings mention why he pulled out of the big Euro workout? haven't read everything yet.

I think whatever that workout is--it might just be a tad over rated. There are hours of B Jennings tapes and Im sure the Knicks staff scouted him extensively in HS like the Kobe's 1 euro workout--what does that mean? Jim Calhoun called him the best PG prospect in 10 years--where did he get his information?

I think the point what that several GMs spent alot of time and money going to see him play and then he just decides not to show up, which turned a few people against him. That fact, coupled with the preceived notion that he was a bit too arrogant raised flags in people's mind. Plus, the kid is very skinny, so you had concerns on whether he could survive on this level. Not saying Walsh did not f-up. I think it is clear that he did and that he did not properly scout Jennings. Man, this was a big loss here. Our biggest need is a top-flight pg to run MDA's offense and we had one staring us in the face and did not properly evaluate him. You would think that we would have had scouts seeking permission to watch this kid practice over in Europe.

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

tell em why you mad sun

"that double nickels ****, it was aight...but hill's putback dunks is more jonblaze then that"

not mad at all... but you guys make it sound like Jennings was no brainer and he wasnt. There were a lot of good reasons the Knicks didnt draft him. Its easy to play arm chair QB

and 99% of those good reasons were based on a stereotype

really? Which one of these FACTS is based on stereotype:
1) shot 38% over all and 25% from 3 point range in Europe
2) score first mentality failed to translate into anything positive in Europe
3) shot horribly in individual workout with the Knicks
4) at 6'1 and 170 pounds has the furthest thing from an NBA body
5) showed poor shot selection and played out of control
6) he's 19 with maturity issues playing in NYC

These were all facts at the time of the draft. You cant even argue #6 as a stereotype either because that stupid youtube vid he had out there shows him as a 19 year old kid with a whole lotta growing up to do.

Jennings is playing great right now. Off the charts and he's winning games doing it. When that team is healthy they are pretty talented with Bogut and Redd, so the winning isnt just Jennings.

That being said if the Knicks drafted him and he flopped you guys would KILLING KILLING KILLING Walsh for picking a shoot first PG that weighes 170 pounds and shot 38% overseas and is totally immature.

Bucks rolled the dice and it looks like they got lucky, thats the bottom line. Good for them.

1) stats don't always tell the whole story. billups has a great jumpsht yet for his career he is right around 40%
2) easy to spin it negatively...how do you know he wasn't trying t fit in with is teammates and thats why he didn't shoot as much?
3) funny the report from the orkout with the knix was he was the best guard on the court.
4) what was tj ford's measurements coming out, cp3 might've been 170 as well
5) where?
6) what 19 yr old doesn't have maturity issues? still doesn't keep him from spending countless hours in the gym pefecting his craft

McK1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I must say that it wasn't clear to anyone that Jennings was ready to run a team nor when that would be! Anyone that says they knew he'd be this good is lying. High school video combined with his Euro play showed great potential but nothing else. He seemed like more a project as a PG to me. It's easy to look
at how he's doing now and say we should've taken him but if we did and he struggled to actually run the team here there would be plenty of impatient negative posts asking why we took a chance on a small guard that never showed he could run a team.

where is trueblue with a bookmarked thread when u need him? the 30 page jennings vs rubio thread will show there were a handful of us that actually believed he would be this good. btw he ran his highschool team his senior yr, the legendary Oak Hill Academy to a record of like 40-1. that school has sent some recent stars to the NBA so the pedigree was there

fishmike wrote:exactly... you can be pissed all you want that we missed out on Jennings. Anyone here that wants to say they predicted this is lying, cause he didnt show this. He wasnt even as good as Telfair coming out of HS

wasn't as good as Telfair coming out...lmfao! every pub that rated highschool players says you're DEAD WRONG!

tkf wrote:
YEA, everyone can act like they predicted this, but they didn't. If so, then why all the hype and wishing we had the first pick to grab griffin? At this rate, according to most, jennings is headed straight to stardom. We can't say the same thing about griffen.. So why aren't we hearing that the clippers made the wrong pick as well?

what hype? most wanted ny to make the play-offs. I was all aboard the Brandon Jennings bandwagon in early March.

clips are paying all-star baron davis 13 mil a season. Clips had nothing on teh frontline going ahead except Kaman. Griffen made absolute sense. He broke his knee cap so his absense from the court is excusable.

the knix have doody playing pg and nothing behind him. however the knix did have lee harrington jeffries curry. curry hasn't even been with the team and jeffries isn't a pf/c nor is he a 30 mpg yet hill can't crack the rotation.

Ok, fine.. so had we lucked out and gotten the first overall pick, you would have taken jennings over griffen without any pause?

cool....

I'm obviously a huge Syracuse fan. I've watched as many games as I possibly could have since Billy Owens was playing.

Flynn is from Niagara Falls, tough player, absolutely love the kid's attitude. He won that game against UConn all by himself, and UConn is basically a pro team in waiting. He's a winner. Now, that said, he's just not that high a pick. He can jump like crazy and that makes up for his size somewhat. He's gritty on defense... but he was never a better selection than Jennings, or half of these other guys and I said so at the time. He should have been drafted where Teague was. That would have been fair.

Great kid, will make the franchise proud, but man that was a reach for him.

Then the Rubio disaster...

Kahn could be sitting there with any combination of Jennings/DeRozan/Curry/Williams

Instead he only has Flynn and a somewhat tradeable asset.

That's rough.

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

tell em why you mad sun

"that double nickels ****, it was aight...but hill's putback dunks is more jonblaze then that"

not mad at all... but you guys make it sound like Jennings was no brainer and he wasnt. There were a lot of good reasons the Knicks didnt draft him. Its easy to play arm chair QB

and 99% of those good reasons were based on a stereotype

really? Which one of these FACTS is based on stereotype:
1) shot 38% over all and 25% from 3 point range in Europe
2) score first mentality failed to translate into anything positive in Europe
3) shot horribly in individual workout with the Knicks
4) at 6'1 and 170 pounds has the furthest thing from an NBA body
5) showed poor shot selection and played out of control
6) he's 19 with maturity issues playing in NYC

These were all facts at the time of the draft. You cant even argue #6 as a stereotype either because that stupid youtube vid he had out there shows him as a 19 year old kid with a whole lotta growing up to do.

Jennings is playing great right now. Off the charts and he's winning games doing it. When that team is healthy they are pretty talented with Bogut and Redd, so the winning isnt just Jennings.

That being said if the Knicks drafted him and he flopped you guys would KILLING KILLING KILLING Walsh for picking a shoot first PG that weighes 170 pounds and shot 38% overseas and is totally immature.

Bucks rolled the dice and it looks like they got lucky, thats the bottom line. Good for them.

1) stats don't always tell the whole story. billups has a great jumpsht yet for his career he is right around 40%
2) easy to spin it negatively...how do you know he wasn't trying t fit in with is teammates and thats why he didn't shoot as much?
3) funny the report from the orkout with the knix was he was the best guard on the court.
4) what was tj ford's measurements coming out, cp3 might've been 170 as well
5) where?
6) what 19 yr old doesn't have maturity issues? still doesn't keep him from spending countless hours in the gym pefecting his craft

1) stats don't always tell the whole story. billups has a great jumpsht yet for his career he is right around 40%

2) easy to spin it negatively...how do you know he wasn't trying t fit in with is teammates and thats why he didn't shoot as much?

3) funny the report from the orkout with the knix was he was the best guard on the court.

4) what was tj ford's measurements coming out, cp3 might've been 170 as well

5) where?

6) what 19 yr old doesn't have maturity issues? still doesn't keep him from spending countless hours in the gym pefecting his craft