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10/21/2009  1:20 PM
Just don't like what I see from the guy. Blair is going to put up better numbers and is a double double lock. I would have rather seen walsh draft a point or a 2 guard or just trade down. He isn't going to dominate he doesn't have that makeup. you can tell a lot about a player mentally just by watching them.
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10/21/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by MS:

Just don't like what I see from the guy. Blair is going to put up better numbers and is a double double lock. I would have rather seen walsh draft a point or a 2 guard or just trade down. He isn't going to dominate he doesn't have that makeup. you can tell a lot about a player mentally just by watching them.

unless he busts his knee up walking down a flight of stairs. i hear the guy's knees are big problems. dont get me wrong, he's a best if healthy, but i understand the hesitance to take him w the injury thing. with that said, if the knicks did take him, he would have busted up his knee during the first scrimage....murphy's law governs the knick's destiny
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10/21/2009  1:30 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by MS:

I am looking at Hill and best cause he becomes David Lee with a little defense. And that's best case. Blair is playing 19 minutes averaging 13pts 9rbs for the Spurs. The Knicks are one of the worst teams in the league and have no interior defense and Hill a lottery pick can't get on the floor. This kid best case is 18pts 11rbs and that is best case. This was a wasted pick no doubt about it. You needed to go point guard and take a chance on a position we need. Not a position that we have a surplus of. Donnie Walsh get's an D for his drafting.

Everyone should be very worried about both of these guys.

a career opinion based on 10 minutes of preseason play.

Ill call it "microtemporalanalysis." Very popular around here, and among other folks who need to make immediate judgments about something despite limited evidence.
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10/21/2009  1:31 PM
Jordan Hill will play about 5 minutes a game this year. He has Lee, Harrington, and Jeffires in front of him and I dont see that changing.
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10/21/2009  1:33 PM
Posted by King1:

Jordan Hill will play about 5 minutes a game this year. He has Lee, Harrington, and Jeffires in front of him and I dont see that changing.

and that's the way it should be until he earns the spot. I have no problem with that.

I do hope JJ continues to play well and then the Knicks will have the opportunity to package him to a playoff team for an expiring.
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10/21/2009  1:33 PM
His knees aren't a problem. When was the last time they were injured. He went in the second round. Hill was a lottery pick. We should have a pg and a best in the post. Instead we have a erratic defender that literally could be had for the vet minimum and a guy that can't crack the rotation on a lottery team
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10/21/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by MS:

Just don't like what I see from the guy. Blair is going to put up better numbers and is a double double lock. I would have rather seen walsh draft a point or a 2 guard or just trade down. He isn't going to dominate he doesn't have that makeup. you can tell a lot about a player mentally just by watching them.

unless he busts his knee up walking down a flight of stairs. i hear the guy's knees are big problems. dont get me wrong, he's a best if healthy, but i understand the hesitance to take him w the injury thing. with that said, if the knicks did take him, he would have busted up his knee during the first scrimage....murphy's law governs the knick's destiny

...And folks are still upset about the Gallinari pick because, among other things, he might have been "damaged goods," a word we heard a lot last year.

In Blair you had a kid with documented issues related to his knees- somewhat of a red flag in a sport that depends so much on leaping ability.
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10/21/2009  1:40 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by MS:

Just don't like what I see from the guy. Blair is going to put up better numbers and is a double double lock. I would have rather seen walsh draft a point or a 2 guard or just trade down. He isn't going to dominate he doesn't have that makeup. you can tell a lot about a player mentally just by watching them.

unless he busts his knee up walking down a flight of stairs. i hear the guy's knees are big problems. dont get me wrong, he's a best if healthy, but i understand the hesitance to take him w the injury thing. with that said, if the knicks did take him, he would have busted up his knee during the first scrimage....murphy's law governs the knick's destiny

...And folks are still upset about the Gallinari pick because, among other things, he might have been "damaged goods," a word we heard a lot last year.

In Blair you had a kid with documented issues related to his knees- somewhat of a red flag in a sport that depends so much on leaping ability.

Exactly..
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10/21/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by MS:

Just don't like what I see from the guy. Blair is going to put up better numbers and is a double double lock. I would have rather seen walsh draft a point or a 2 guard or just trade down. He isn't going to dominate he doesn't have that makeup. you can tell a lot about a player mentally just by watching them.

unless he busts his knee up walking down a flight of stairs. i hear the guy's knees are big problems. dont get me wrong, he's a best if healthy, but i understand the hesitance to take him w the injury thing. with that said, if the knicks did take him, he would have busted up his knee during the first scrimage....murphy's law governs the knick's destiny

...And folks are still upset about the Gallinari pick because, among other things, he might have been "damaged goods," a word we heard a lot last year.

In Blair you had a kid with documented issues related to his knees- somewhat of a red flag in a sport that depends so much on leaping ability.

i think paladin just said all your momma's wear combat boots...
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10/21/2009  1:47 PM
blair put up 17/10 last night in 14 minutes
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10/21/2009  1:47 PM
Walsh has had his chances to trade Jeffires. If a lottery pick doesnt play in front of him then MDA must really like him.
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10/21/2009  1:49 PM
hill is worse than jeffries thats the only raeson come on.
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10/21/2009  2:20 PM
Again who was picked after Blair? He was a second round pick. What is so hard to understand here. We paid 3 million to acquire the pick to get Douglas. You take a flyer on this kid because of his skill. He wasn't injured in college.

Gallo is a great shooter but he was a lottery selection. Three kids taken after him are likely all-stars, Brook Lopez being a lock. Comparing the Bliar selection to Gallo doesn't add up. Dan Marino was half blind so he fell in the draft. You watch the kid in college and he embarrassed the #2 pick with "no hops" and "bad knees". And he was 10" shorter.

You don't take a chance in the lottery on a player like Hill. He isn't Amare nor is he going to dominate defensively. He doesn't have good instincts. His offensive game is raw. He plays the four.

We don't have a single guy on this team with a post game. We have outside shooters having a presence inside from Blair who dominated when he is in the game would have been a great option. He would have made the rotation.

Walsh is not in tune with Mike. From the Marbury situation, the Roberson signing, the hughes trade. There is a lot that can be done out there, but drafting guys that play the same position as our best players is not a smart idea especially if they aren't ready.
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10/21/2009  6:30 PM
Posted by King1:

Walsh has had his chances to trade Jeffires. If a lottery pick doesnt play in front of him then MDA must really like him.
Jeffries can provide some of the D in the middle that Lee was unable to give us last year. He is an extremely frustrating player to watch on offense much of the time, but his is arguably the best all around defender on the team who, in a pinch, can play acceptable defense at all five positions.

If he performs well for us we have a much better chance of trading him at some point. I think that MDA genuinely likes his game, though, because of his versatility.
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10/21/2009  6:35 PM
Posted by MS:

Again who was picked after Blair? He was a second round pick. What is so hard to understand here. We paid 3 million to acquire the pick to get Douglas. You take a flyer on this kid because of his skill. He wasn't injured in college.

Gallo is a great shooter but he was a lottery selection. Three kids taken after him are likely all-stars, Brook Lopez being a lock. Comparing the Bliar selection to Gallo doesn't add up. Dan Marino was half blind so he fell in the draft. You watch the kid in college and he embarrassed the #2 pick with "no hops" and "bad knees". And he was 10" shorter.

You don't take a chance in the lottery on a player like Hill. He isn't Amare nor is he going to dominate defensively. He doesn't have good instincts. His offensive game is raw. He plays the four.

We don't have a single guy on this team with a post game. We have outside shooters having a presence inside from Blair who dominated when he is in the game would have been a great option. He would have made the rotation.

Walsh is not in tune with Mike. From the Marbury situation, the Roberson signing, the hughes trade. There is a lot that can be done out there, but drafting guys that play the same position as our best players is not a smart idea especially if they aren't ready.

I believe that the Roberson signing had more to do with MDA's mistaken belief that what he did in practice could be done during an actual game situation, rather than Walsh's desire to have him on the team.
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10/21/2009  7:08 PM
Posted by MS:

Again who was picked after Blair? He was a second round pick. What is so hard to understand here. We paid 3 million to acquire the pick to get Douglas. You take a flyer on this kid because of his skill. He wasn't injured in college.

Gallo is a great shooter but he was a lottery selection. Three kids taken after him are likely all-stars, Brook Lopez being a lock. Comparing the Bliar selection to Gallo doesn't add up. Dan Marino was half blind so he fell in the draft. You watch the kid in college and he embarrassed the #2 pick with "no hops" and "bad knees". And he was 10" shorter.

You don't take a chance in the lottery on a player like Hill. He isn't Amare nor is he going to dominate defensively. He doesn't have good instincts. His offensive game is raw. He plays the four.

We don't have a single guy on this team with a post game. We have outside shooters having a presence inside from Blair who dominated when he is in the game would have been a great option. He would have made the rotation.

Walsh is not in tune with Mike. From the Marbury situation, the Roberson signing, the hughes trade. There is a lot that can be done out there, but drafting guys that play the same position as our best players is not a smart idea especially if they aren't ready.

In regards to Blair alot of GM's exercised caution at the expense of talent. Blair is almost a sure thing if he remains healthy and while his career might be shortened if he has 5-7 good years that is alot more than most of the players in the 09 draft will probably have. I also think Buddinger will be a big time player in Houston and he was taken after Blair.

I agree that D'Antoni and Walsh might not be on the same page but I think that is a good thing. I think Gallo was drafted and Roberson was signed because of D'Antoni. I think Walsh knew they were mistakes and he has made the personnel decisions since. I am not nearly as down on the 09 draft as I am the 08 draft. I can see why this years picks were made and I can't rattle off 10-15 players who I am sure will be better than Hill that were taken after him.
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10/21/2009  7:45 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

hill is worse than jeffries thats the only raeson come on.

He is. That's really bad for us. It's just the truth though. Jordan Hill is an absolute DISASTER right now. I wonder if we had a chance to use this pick to dump Jeffries or Curry. If we did and we didn't do it then well, I guess you invoke the "hindsight is 20/20" comment.
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10/21/2009  11:10 PM
I don't think MDA was the reason for Gallo being picked. I think it was the advance scouts who saw the kid play for years. Don't forget also that Zeke went over and gave his thumbs up. They all saw the real Gallo, not the weak and injured Gallo, but the explosive and confident Gallo at 18 and 19 yrs old leading his professional team. Guys can just keep on underestimating this kid, but you'll soon see that it's not all about freaky athletic ability. I think Gallo has a fire inside him that will eventually come back out. I think he's a player in the mold of Reggie Miller, Paul Pierce and Larry Bird (not in terms of overall talent), guys that didn't have superior athletic ability but they had pro skills and an understanding of how to play the game in a way that gave them the advantage. He'll eventually adjust and when he does he should start to excel.

Hill is a project and that's clear, but that doesn't mean he'll never be a good player. I think he has tools, the game is just too fast for him right now. He's not the 1st guy to have that happen to him. When you're busy thinking you don't explode or react as you should, so it's making Hill look like he's not athletic or explosive, but he has that ability in him. We'll see what he's made of. Will he get discouraged or will he fight thru it? Judging by what he's overcome so far I believe he's gonna work and work until he gets it.
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