Posted by JohnWallace44:
Bip, we're talking about two different things here. You want to look at the Isiah guys that never play and tell me we have length.
Curry played all of five minutes last year and he couldn't play D even when he was healthy.
Jeffries is nice when he plays, but he does too many things badly to get on the floor.
Gallo doesn't have a position on defense, and again, he didn't show last year that he could get back on D.
Lee can't guard anyone either.
What does that size get you exactly?
I'm pretty sure the point of basketball is to stop the other guy from making baskets on their end, and to make baskets on your end. I'm not too quick, but I'm pretty sure that's it.
Kobe, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum do a nice job of d-ing up on people, using their unique length, and they can score with their length on the other end. Orlando, Boston, Denver, Philly do similar things with their rosters.
Our two most common 5 man units last year were;
311 minutes - Duhon, QRich, Chandler, Al Jr, Lee
248 minutes - Duhon, Chandler, Al Jr, Jeffries, Lee
I mean, that is tough to watch those guys get sent out there every night.
Regardless of who it is or what position they are at, I would cheer for Donnie if he could get us another guy who has + size and can use it to their advantage on both ends of the floor.
When I first joined this site it seemed like every post was a complaint about all of our 6'8" forwards. Years later, we're playing Lee at center most of the time.
That is the type of player I'd like on this team. That's all I'm saying.
I will take this point by point. Hopefully you will do the same:
1.) Let's take Isiah's guys that don't play completely out of the mix and only focus on Walsh's guys. This is fair so here we go. Lee started at center last year. Obviously that didn't work. In that time what has Walsh done to address the size issue. You say nothing. But when I look I see that he went and got a 6-10 SF in the draft. A guy that we are told may still be growing and is the exact same size as the SF in LA. He also acquired a 6-10 athletic big man in this years draft that can play PF and possibly center. He then traded a 6-5 SF for a 7-0 C/PF. Again, please explain to me where Walsh is ignoring the size issue. You keep saying he is ignoring the size issue but you aren't providing any evidence that he actually is. Your only argument is that he didn't draft a SG that is actually smaller than the one we have. You see why I have such a problem with your thinking?? Do I need to clarify further.
2.) Gallo doesn't have a position on D. You may be right. He may be too slow to guard SF's and too small to play PF. He may have "stiff legs". But let's also be fair. He's also only 21 and had a bad back last year. I'm not a Gallo apologist or excuse maker. I'm just being fair. I can't give him credit when he hasn't achieved anything, and I also can't destroy him or Walsh either when by all accounts he has a ton of potential and spent the whole year injuried. Hill, Derozan, Bayless, Gallo have not acheived anything. Explain to me how you judge?
3.) Of course one of the most important things in basketball is to have your size and talent fit and be an advantage. It hasn't been for us. This is why Walsh has not endorsed anyone on this roster outside of Gallinari and Chandler. Everyone else seems to be on thin ice. So how is Walsh contradicting your point. The three guys he brought in during the offseason are Darko(shot blocking ability), Hill(shot blocking ability) and Douglas(ACC defensive player of the year). Again, how is he not addressing your concerns?
4.) The Lakers do nice things with their talent, that's why they won the title. We won 23, 33 and 24 games. Why are we comparing our roster to theirs? Because of your fantasies? And for the record let me break my own rule and compare us to the C's. Their line-up is no bigger than ours, and is actually smaller.
5.) As for your two most common line-ups. Yes, agreed tough to watch. That's why we traded Q, want to get rid of Jeffries more than anyone except Curry and do not have Duhon and Lee signed to long-term contracts. Also I have a question. Why is it that I can't use Jeffries and Curry as part of the length argument but you can use Q(who's not here anymore) and jeffries to make whatever point you were trying to make in this instance?
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Regardless of who it is or what position they are at, I would cheer for Donnie if he could get us another guy who has + size and can use it to their advantage on both ends of the floor.
When I first joined this site it seemed like every post was a complaint about all of our 6'8" forwards. Years later, we're playing Lee at center most of the time.
Before you repeat this mantra please address my point. We played Lee at Center last year. So Walsh went out and got a 6-10 PF/C shotblocker in the draft, a 7-0 shot blocker via trade and has a 6-11 guy in the stable. Is it that he hasn't gone out and gotten size or you just haven't been watching the transaction wire. As for years later playing Lee at Center. Do you honestly think the long-term plan is to have Lee at Center or do you think this is just part of the tearing down and rebuilding process for one of the most embarrassing organizations in league history.
Now I addressed you point by point. Do not duck me and spout off the same stuff you've been spouting, please address my points.
By the way whatever happened to your "we should have drafted Derozan because he is a huge SG argument"?
9/11/2009 4:15 PM