Posted by fishmike:

Posted by knicks1248:

Bitty I'm with ya..fish its become painfully obvious that despite the love MDA recieves from just about the entire olympic team, none (so far) seem to be willing to sart over in ny despite money fame and glory, not when a championship roster is as far fetch as it is for us.

really? One year offers being turned down by Grant Hill and Jason Kidd means no FAs will want to have a career here? If thats not overreacting what is?

Whats painfully obvious is Walsh's plan.

Hire a winning coach
Clear the roster of Isiah's bloated contracts
Fill the roster with guys with good contracts that fit into the coach's style of play
Have cap space to sign a FA in the 2010 offseason
Use draft and summer league to find cheap talent with upside

You dont have to like it but its a plan with a lot of options and flexibility to succeed.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by knicks1248:

Bitty I'm with ya..fish its become painfully obvious that despite the love MDA recieves from just about the entire olympic team, none (so far) seem to be willing to sart over in ny despite money fame and glory, not when a championship roster is as far fetch as it is for us.

really? One year offers being turned down by Grant Hill and Jason Kidd means no FAs will want to have a career here? If thats not overreacting what is?

Whats painfully obvious is Walsh's plan.

Hire a winning coach
Clear the roster of Isiah's bloated contracts
Fill the roster with guys with good contracts that fit into the coach's style of play
Have cap space to sign a FA in the 2010 offseason
Use draft and summer league to find cheap talent with upside

You dont have to like it but its a plan with a lot of options and flexibility to succeed.

Talk about a generous spin on the situation.

What is the point of hiring a expensive and winning coach if your team is rebuilding?

Great he cleared bloated contracts but Eddy Curry/Jared Jefferies are still on the books with Lee/Robinson situation still unresolved

Coach's style of play who would that be? What good acquisition has Walsh made? Hughes, Harrington, Duhon, or Mobley (oh that's right he's retired)?

Do they that question is still unanswered and besides the Knicks could have all the money in the world available but if you can't get the talent then it's all meaningless

What cheap talent? You can't mean that midget scrub who couldn't hit the side of a barn.

I like the Hughes trade and the signing of Duhon for 2 years. All within the plan to free cap space for 2010.

Hughes was brought in with 1 +years on his contract and we traded 3 players with the same length of contract. However we traded guys who were thought to be untradeable. Players who must not be named....like JJ Fats; like Robersuck. And Tim Thomas, the 3rd player was just bought out of his 1 remaining yr. And with Hughes we got a SG, a position which we needed filled. And 2 roster spots opened up so we can bring in a Ramon Sessions if we can....and other young players.

Duhon filled the need of a PG so we could eliminate another player who must not be named - Suckbury. And for only 2 years so cap space is there for 2010.

Harrington was traded for Crawford. HArrington is a better player and Crawford's contract ends in 2011 while HArrington's at the end of this season.

Also, the Q for Darko trade was good. Gives us another player (young) up front for a position we have an overabundance of players (SF) Not an earth-shattering trade, but good.

All good trades and signings.



[Edited by - markji on 07-21-2009 1:55 PM]

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Paladin55:

For what it is worth:

http://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand

His informants are telling him that the Bucks will not match the Knicks if they make an offer to Sessions.

Don't want to get too excited because we have already gone through similar "high expectations" rumors this summer, but Sessions would be a major coup for the Knicks if he falls into their hands.


(sorry if this has already been linked)


[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-21-2009 12:40 PM]

I like Sessions, but if he becomes a Knick, I will instantly notice all his flaws and begin disliking him. I am looking forward to having a new Knick to dislike, so I hope he gets signed.

Talk about a generous spin on the situation.

What is the point of hiring a expensive and winning coach if your team is rebuilding?

Great he cleared bloated contracts but Eddy Curry/Jared Jefferies are still on the books with Lee/Robinson situation still unresolved

Coach's style of play who would that be? What good acquisition has Walsh made? Hughes, Harrington, Duhon, or Mobley (oh that's right he's retired)?

Do they that question is still unanswered and besides the Knicks could have all the money in the world available but if you can't get the talent then it's all meaningless

What cheap talent? You can't mean that midget scrub who couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by jazz74:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by jazz74:

i too was confident about 2010 but then i see some b level free agents this year refusing us it causes me to doubt. we need a competitive team this year, straight up. we dont have a first round pick so even if we suck we wont get "rewarded" and we have to be competitive for the free agents to say, "hey, we have a chance to win" in a league that i think is close to parody anyway.

1 year removed from being the most embarrassing franchise in the world, why did we think free-agents would be clamoring to come here? Come on, we all had to know rebuilding would not be easy. The rest is just fantasy.

We are in the game to get Lebron or Wade. It would be irresponsible not to be(unless you can acquire another star through trade). But it's a long shot. If it doesn't work, we are still where we were going to be anyway. A team that is rebuilding around young building blocks(#6, #8 and #23 picks in the draft). If you don't get a big name free-agent then everyone here gets their wish. A young team, with potential that will stink and will continue to be in the lottery.

Or what we can do is continue to trade expirings for semi-all stars and win 30-40 games every year.

yeah but i admit that my patience is wearing thin. this is the ten year anniversary of the miracle knicks run. i never thought ten years from then that we will experience 8 losing seasons about to have a ninth. it wears thin on a fan, especially if you are fan of a team that is part of the largest city in the world. this is not golden state or clippers where this is supposed to be the norm. we tried everything the past eight years now we are being "fiscal responsible" to see what happens in a year where there is salary cap shrinkage ( our luck). this time next year we might be celebrating but we NEED to have a competitive year this year, that is all i am saying. especially since we are still haunted by past trades and dont have our lottery pick this year. i do NOT want to help that corny state of utah win the lottery.

Jazz, I'm with you, my patience is wearing thin too. I hate being the brunt of jokes. I'm dying for a winner. But just becasue we want something doesn't mean we skip steps to get it. No matter how bad we want things we have to remember that not only did we win 23, 33 and 24 games, but we did that by making ourselves the laughinstock of the NBA. Talk show hosts made fun of us, major news networks reported on our mishaps, ESPN and TNT made fun of us on a nightly basis. We had bloated contracts that noone was going to give us anything of value for. There is no way in heck we were going from that to a legitimate team that free-agents are dying to come to, in 1 year.

So instead of focusing on all the things "we could have done". Let's focus on what we did. We rid this roster of the entire lot of overpaid malcontents that quit on us for 3 years. In return we got cap clearing contracts and young players. If Nate and lee resign you are looking at 5 first round picks, 2 lottery picks, under the age of 26 to move forward with. Kind of looks like a rebuilding team. At some point in time Memphis, Minnesota, LA, Portland, Chicago looked like us. The teams that succeed find a way to get a good player to take that group over the hump. That is what we are attempting to do. But you can't do that by throwing your hands in the air and then targeting more overpaid vets with bad histories and expect them to take you anywhere.

Posted by fishmike:

Talk about a generous spin on the situation.

whats the spin? I'm not saying he's been perfect. Only that he's built two title contendors and he took over a 23 win team with little to no assets. Lets see what he does.

What is the point of hiring a expensive and winning coach if your team is rebuilding?

whats the point in hiring a bad coach? Is that your suggestion? We added a coach that would be attractive to potential FAs. We also needed a culture change and we have seen that start

Great he cleared bloated contracts but Eddy Curry/Jared Jefferies are still on the books with Lee/Robinson situation still unresolved

does unresolved mean ignored? DW said the Nate/JJ deal to Sac wasnt true and Eddy isnt getting traded until he gets on the floor. From everything I have read it looks like he Knicks are doing everything they can to get Eddy on the floor. Its not 2010 yet. Why is DW getting a failing grade for EC and JJ still being here?

Coach's style of play who would that be? What good acquisition has Walsh made? Hughes, Harrington, Duhon, or Mobley (oh that's right he's retired)?

whats wrong with those players? He dumped the worst contracts on the roster last year, moved our two most productive players, sent our $20mm a year star PG away, got NOTHING from our 'franchise' center and won 9 more games than the year before. Obviously Tim Thomas, Duhon, etc are stop gap guys but they did a good job and fit into the style of play they want to establish.

and your knock on Mobley is unfounded especially if his salary savings is used as an asset (like Terrell Brandon was).

Do they that question is still unanswered and besides the Knicks could have all the money in the world available but if you can't get the talent then it's all meaningless

I'm guessing your talking about the FA talent that isnt going to sign here? OK.. very possible. In fact my guess is we dont land a big FA. But we will have great flexibility to make a money deal and take a $$$ player back thats already signed and some team cant afford.

What cheap talent? You can't mean that midget scrub who couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Every player on the roster DW has brought in is either cheap or has a short contract. Also he's brought in summer league guys with a chance to make the roster. Almond and Skita were talented guys that have struggled in the NBA but who knows. No Jerome or Jefferies 5 year deals.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

LOL @ comparing Baron Davis to Jason Kidd. Now I know why McK1 is a little wacky.

LOL @ your repeated failed ability to comprehend anything that isn't written on a realgm level. When you take the SAT's next semester please get yourself one of those prep books.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Bippity10:


The teams that succeed find a way to get a good player to take that group over the hump.

they draft them. all Walsh has done the last 2 drafts is add more guys the 010 Savior will have to carry.