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7/18/2009  12:41 PM
Calling Jordan Hill--please send us off tomorrow with better effort. All Knicks fans are behind you. Relax and concentrate on being aggressive attacking the rim. Don't settle for the J--either get deep position or use the dribble to attack the rim. Settling for a J is always last resort. Before Amare Stoudemire got hurt he NEVER EVER settled for the jumpshot and that is why he would go to the foul line a great deal and was able to shoot around 60% from the field. The Knicks coaching staff is to obsessed with the jumpshot--my advice--get the ball and take that sht strong to the rim every time you get it. If you are settling for 10 jumpshots you are not playing smart ball.
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7/18/2009  12:47 PM
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I agree. and already he has skills a lot of bigs don't have. He can hit the fadeaway, he can score facing up, he can finish way above the rim.. and the blocks yesterday. I counted about 4.. boxscore was way off..

yeah my pops was just saying he doesn't remember anyone in 66 with Hill's repetoire

but seriously he has that one move where he spins towards the defender and shoots a fadeaway. He isn't one of those broad shouldered players that move people east or west with their body nor does he gets lift off the ground or extension on the shot; just like yesterday that bullshyt will get swatted.

hope the coaching staff works on him developing an arsenal spinning/fading away from the d like Duncan Bosh Dirk KG Gasol West Zach Aldridge Boozer R. Wallace J Oneal all use.

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he and Skita were both standing there sticking their hands up for those "blocks"

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-18-2009 1:04 PM]
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7/18/2009  1:10 PM
Let the record show I think Hill will suck.

I hated the pick from the moment it was made.

Summer league hasn't really done anything but confirm my opinion.

For those who say that just because a guy dominates summer league it doesn't mean he'll do well in the league, I agree.

But if guys who dominate summer league can't even get a job in the league, let alone start (see: Skita, Roberson, etc, etc.) then does it not make you comfortable that Hill looks crappy playing against guys who are fighting for a roster spot?

If Hill develops into a star I will gladly eat my words.

Isiah whiffed on Frye. He did well with Lee and Nate.

Donnie whiffed on Hill. He did well (I think and hope) with Gallo.

Pro-Hill UKers...

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Awesome. I just referred to myself in the third person though.

Seriously though. If Hill makes one good play in an actual game I'll probably hop right onto his bandwagon. Who's driving?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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7/18/2009  2:12 PM
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7/18/2009  2:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by 30andOverClub:

As for my opinion on the game (so as to not be so off-topic):

Hill definitely looks raw, but he's taller, longer, and quicker than Lee. The form on this jump shot is better and his footwork in the post shows a lot of potential. He needs to continue to develop his explosion and build strength so that he can finish through contact. If he does both of those things (and I think he will), he'll be dunking a lot more of those layup attempts (that he missed most of). I figure he starts the season off slow, and has a great second half to the year as he fixes the problems listed above.

As for Douglas, how can you complain? If I'm just a casual observer and don't know that Evans is 4 years younger, I'd say Douglas is the better prospect by far. Much better handle, much better form on his jump shot (not falling of course, but he proved in college he can shoot), better commitment to defense (both gamble, Evans more so), better first step, and at least even in court vision. He bottled up Evans practically the entire game. Evans got away from him just once without a pick. And then he got most of his points with the likes of Blake Ahearn guarding him.

Evans just doesn't look like much of a half court PG. His first step is average and it takes him a while to build up speed. Once he does, he does damage. In the open floor, he could be great but playoff basketball is half-court basketball. Oh, and that wonderful Youtube video of him draining jump shot after jump shot? In game, he reverted right back to that terrible form, kicking his legs out. He needs to work MUCH more on that.

Thats funny you are praising Hill and Douglas and dissing Evans--do you get paid by the Knicks?

Hill and Douglas probably need to start the year in the D league so they can fix their problems. That's exciting for Knick fans!

I think Hill can be a solid player but they better come up with the RIGHT plan to develop him. The wrong plan could be catastrophic. He needs to work on his strength and probably play 10- 20 games in the D League going 40 minutes a night to work on his skill sets. Sitting on an NBA bench or the team relying on him for rotational minutes before he is ready could be quite negative.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-18-2009 05:08 AM]

My opinion from watching the games. Nothing more, nothing less. We shall see. Evans had a very average game. He couldn't get to the rim against Douglas (IMO, because his first step and handle are average), and his shot off the dribble fell maybe once, twice? Not to mention that the form on his shot was extremely poor, kicking his legs out in front of his body. Toward the end of the game, Sacramento had guys doubling Douglas over and over and he still did a respectable job of getting away.

As for Hill, you don't see the same skill set as I do I guess. I think it will translate IF he keeps working on his game. He's taller, longer, and faster than Lee. The form on his jump shot is better than Lee's even though Lee has supposedly been working on it for the past couple of years. Is Lee a better passer, dribbler, ambidextrous? Sure, but then Lee also doesn't care on the defensive end.
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7/18/2009  2:45 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by McK1:
Neither will the people after Hill be great players.

this is truly laughable.

does making such a baseless statement like this make you feel better about taking hill?

How is what I said baseless? What guy did you want? I'm guessing Jennings lol.

All I know is no draft site has anyone after Hill being a star and nobody I've seen play in college after him looks like one either. Bottom line. He wont be either. What's wrong with what I said? Baseless statement? Baseless is your hate on everything Knicks-related recently, including Hill. I don't form my opinions off Summer League. If you do, more power to you.

[Edited by - GKFv2 on 07-17-2009 10:57 PM]

how does what a draft site or espn "analyst" project about a player define what will actually happen?

plenty of draft sites and analysts had Ok4 over Howard.
same draft Bilas trashed Atlanta for the Josh Smith pick. redo the 04 draft and he is top 5 along with Jefferson. They both could conceivably go before Mek.

In 05 Bogut and Williams were the consensus 1, 2. Paul and Deron have been the actual 1,2.

Where did the mocks have Roy in 06?

07 Oden was the consensus no. 1...a once every decade center. Portland could've had Roy Durant and LA right now with a very serviceable Pryzbilla whom they extended the season prior in the middle.

if the experts could re-mock 08 would they still leave Randolph out of the top 7?

09...TBD. but I do know Derozan was considered at one point last year the no.1 talent in the 09 drafts according to the same mocks you claim have noone they considered star material after Hill.


[Edited by - McK1 on 07-18-2009 12:33 AM]

I remember you really liked Austin Daye--I give you a ton of credit for it--I know you even said take him at 8 which would have been ballsy but ending up looking like a genius. He's just so agile and skilled yet also a very good rebounder and uses his length well to make up for a lack of vertical. Just a skilled basketball player. For all of the guys Ive seen I would have to say Austin Daye looks like a top 3 talent in this draft. I never evfen considered him--I thought he was a soft player and I knew he already had blown out his knee--he wasnt even a consideration in my mind but I was off the page wrong there.

I don't remember the name Jordan Hill even talked about until a few days before the draft. I thought most people wanted Derozan if guys like Curry and Evans were gone. How the Knicks come up with these frikin picks Ill never know. That GM guy we have from Orlando is BRUTAL if you look back at his picks. He's probably one of the guys responsible for this draft. I think DW is more of a guy who helps give a final Y-N--someone we dont know behind the scenes are making these calls.
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7/18/2009  2:46 PM
Patience is a virtue that's absent around here.
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7/18/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Let me ask you cats that want to challenge me. What do you see in Hill, or have seen in Hill that instructs you to give him the benefit of the doubt?

To me his is now guilty till proven innocent. I want nothing more than to see this guy make it in the NBA. But I cant ignore reality. If I see a piece of dog crap on my lawn I'm not going to stare at it until it magically turns into a piece of pizza. It is what it is.


Hill's potential is going to be linked directly to how hard he works. If he adds 20-25 pounds of muscle and strengths his base, and works on develops his lowpost game, there is no reason he cannot develop into a serviceable starting pf. Is he the next Karl Malone, no? In fact, he probably is not even the next Rasheed Wallace. But he could get to a starting caliber level, if he works on his game. If he just coasts, then he going to be Chris Wilcox with a slightly better jumpshot.

One thing is clear, we need to resign Lee because Hill is two years away from being ready to take on heavy minutes at the pf spot.
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7/18/2009  2:56 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by sebstar:

Let me ask you cats that want to challenge me. What do you see in Hill, or have seen in Hill that instructs you to give him the benefit of the doubt?

To me his is now guilty till proven innocent. I want nothing more than to see this guy make it in the NBA. But I cant ignore reality. If I see a piece of dog crap on my lawn I'm not going to stare at it until it magically turns into a piece of pizza. It is what it is.


Hill's potential is going to be linked directly to how hard he works. If he adds 20-25 pounds of muscle and strengths his base, and works on develops his lowpost game, there is no reason he cannot develop into a serviceable starting pf. Is he the next Karl Malone, no? In fact, he probably is not even the next Rasheed Wallace. But he could get to a starting caliber level, if he works on his game. If he just coasts, then he going to be Chris Wilcox with a slightly better jumpshot.

One thing is clear, we need to resign Lee because Hill is two years away from being ready to take on heavy minutes at the pf spot.

You think that guy could ever weigh 255-260? Come on. Unless his brother is Lee Haney he's going to have trouble making 240
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7/18/2009  2:58 PM
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Patience is a virtue that's absent around here.

Explain to me how pro personnel people think Jordan Hill is an NBA 5 man? Common sense is also a virtue that isnt used much by the Knicks.
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7/18/2009  5:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:



I remember you really liked Austin Daye--I give you a ton of credit for it--I know you even said take him at 8 which would have been ballsy but ending up looking like a genius. He's just so agile and skilled yet also a very good rebounder and uses his length well to make up for a lack of vertical. Just a skilled basketball player. For all of the guys Ive seen I would have to say Austin Daye looks like a top 3 talent in this draft. I never evfen considered him--I thought he was a soft player and I knew he already had blown out his knee--he wasnt even a consideration in my mind but I was off the page wrong there.

I don't remember the name Jordan Hill even talked about until a few days before the draft. I thought most people wanted Derozan if guys like Curry and Evans were gone. How the Knicks come up with these frikin picks Ill never know. That GM guy we have from Orlando is BRUTAL if you look back at his picks. He's probably one of the guys responsible for this draft. I think DW is more of a guy who helps give a final Y-N--someone we dont know behind the scenes are making these calls.

Daye reminds me of Sean Elliot. I think he'll easily be a 18 and 7 player and possibly more if he puts on 10lbs of muscle. But with gallo in the fold i can see why they passed on daye. I think gallo has the skill to make a difference, however, kiki said pre-draft gallo had an existing back condition and it turns out it wasn't just posturing.

If his back is ok I think Gallo will show he was worthy of being a lottery selection, however, for a team in need of a few homeruns Randolph's playmaking ability on both sides of the ball should've been considered a lot more. Projecting out a guy who is like Camby on defense with more speed can fill on the wing or lead the break and has a good face up game already coming in and wants to play the 4 unlike Gallo should've said to somebody in the scouting department we might have another KG in 2-3 years. Over the last quarter of the season he looked like he should've gone top 7.

as for Hill, I think they sat around and said he's athletic he can rebound and he can play pick n pop with Lebron. BPA.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-18-2009 5:33 PM]
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7/18/2009  6:02 PM
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Posted by BRIGGS:



I remember you really liked Austin Daye--I give you a ton of credit for it--I know you even said take him at 8 which would have been ballsy but ending up looking like a genius. He's just so agile and skilled yet also a very good rebounder and uses his length well to make up for a lack of vertical. Just a skilled basketball player. For all of the guys Ive seen I would have to say Austin Daye looks like a top 3 talent in this draft. I never evfen considered him--I thought he was a soft player and I knew he already had blown out his knee--he wasnt even a consideration in my mind but I was off the page wrong there.

I don't remember the name Jordan Hill even talked about until a few days before the draft. I thought most people wanted Derozan if guys like Curry and Evans were gone. How the Knicks come up with these frikin picks Ill never know. That GM guy we have from Orlando is BRUTAL if you look back at his picks. He's probably one of the guys responsible for this draft. I think DW is more of a guy who helps give a final Y-N--someone we dont know behind the scenes are making these calls.

Daye reminds me of Sean Elliot. I think he'll easily be a 18 and 7 player and possibly more if he puts on 10lbs of muscle. But with gallo in the fold i can see why they passed on daye. I think gallo has the skill to make a difference, however, kiki said pre-draft gallo had an existing back condition and it turns out it wasn't just posturing.

If his back is ok I think Gallo will show he was worthy of being a lottery selection, however, for a team in need of a few homeruns Randolph's playmaking ability on both sides of the ball should've been considered a lot more. Projecting out a guy who is like Camby on defense with more speed can fill on the wing or lead the break and has a good face up game already coming in and wants to play the 4 unlike Gallo should've said to somebody in the scouting department we might have another KG in 2-3 years. Over the last quarter of the season he looked like he should've gone top 7.

as for Hill, I think they sat around and said he's athletic he can rebound and he can play pick n pop with Lebron. BPA.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-18-2009 5:33 PM]



I really felt up to the day of the draft we were going to get Evans. I thought Rubio would go 4 Curry Derozan 5-6 Jennings 7--it really sounded like their GM wanted a player who fit Jennings to the tee in a talk show and Evans would fall to us at 7. I think Im still kind of stunned how things changed.


I think both of our guys could be solid if they work hard. They both have upside in terms of speed strength and agility from Douglas and Hill should/could be solid with another 8 pounds and perhaps a big man coach. It's been disappointing so far and as a Knick fan what can you say until we see something positive on the court.
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7/18/2009  9:10 PM
Both of these guys are not even rookies yet, they're still prospects until they suit up for their 1st game and yet we seem to have this idea that they have little to no upside based on what they've shown or haven't in some SL action.

Hill has virtually the same physical skills as Amare, but clearly he's got to sharpen his skills, get stronger and just be more aggressive inside. That isn't a death sentence for being able to reach his potential, man that's the easy part IMO.

Lee came in with no shot whatsoever and has improved to be a decent shooter. Hill already has shown a better touch and hasn't been playing the game as long as most. I think his potential is still way up there based on that alone.
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