Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Steve Nash increased his career best assist total by 30.5% by playing under D'Antoni and earned 2 league MVPs. He also shot 50% from the field for the first time. He did this without markedly increasing his minutes.

To say D'Antoni had no impact on his game is in blunt but accurate terms, idiotic. He went from a very good player to a truly great player.

true.

he had the ball in his hands 30.5% more as well





[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 11:13 PM]

Didn't realize that Phoenix was allowed only 4 players out on the floor at any given point in time...

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Steve Nash increased his career best assist total by 30.5% by playing under D'Antoni and earned 2 league MVPs. He also shot 50% from the field for the first time. He did this without markedly increasing his minutes.

To say D'Antoni had no impact on his game is in blunt but accurate terms, idiotic. He went from a very good player to a truly great player.

true.

he had the ball in his hands 30.5% more as well





[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 11:13 PM]

Didn't realize that Phoenix was allowed only 4 players out on the floor at any given point in time...

Nash played with other guys like Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Walker, who could create for themselves or make plays for others in Dallas. In Phx he was pretty much the sole play-maker in a 7 deep rotation.

Posted by CrushAlot:

So Nash became a two time MVP in Phoenix because he played with guys who couldn't create their shots? I didn't realize Marion, Johnson, Stoudamire, Diaw, Barbosa etc. were so one dimensional.

no Nash became a two time MVP because he had a record year in terms of shooting efficiency and double doubles as a point guard coupled with putting a team that won 20 something games the season prior and leading them to 60 wins

then amare goes down and he does it again.

people wanna give MDA all the credit for Nash and discount in his 4 years as full time starter Dallas was a perrenial title contender who also won 60 with Nash at the helm. He made 2 all-star teams and 1 all-NBA team in that span. Ignorance of just good Nash was prior to the Suns doesn't mean the player didn't exist.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-29-2009 12:34 AM]

Posted by CrushAlot:

I think you are discounting a couple of things in Phoenix's improvement. Marbury was traded to the Knicks and D'Antoni had coached the perfect style for Nash to be at his best. Did Don Nelson coach the perfect style for Ewing to be at his best? You can't discount MDA no matter how flawed you think his style his. It was the perfect style for Nash and that group of players. Nash got better in Phoenix that doesn't mean he wasn't already really good.

MDA was 21-40 after taking over Phoenix in the 03-04 season.

its more like Nash was the perfect pg for how MDA wanted to play. Colangelo signed him.

Ewing became a MVP candidate under Riles. Did Riles make Ewing or was it due to the fact Riles made it so the Knicks couldn't win without Ewing touching the ball 30 times a night and the Knicks became a title contender in that time span. Same thing happened with Nash in Phoenix. He became an MVP due to the fact the Suns couldn't win without Nash being the focal point of the entire offense on a title contender.

if its strictly about the system duhon should've been able to somewhat replicate Nash's impact but he broke down a quarters way thru the season trying to play at that pace. Nash did it 4 years straight playing 90-100 games on average. He is an elite level athlete with an elite skillset for a guard. SSOL molded around Nash. Without Nash MDA was and has been SOL.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-29-2009 01:17 AM]

SOL is Sh*t Outta Luck

Awesome.. only on this site, a Jordan Hill discussion will be ruined because people want to rag on D'Antoni's offense.

The big question for me is, will Hill get a lot of playing time or do we have another Gallo on our hands who won't be touching the court much. I know Gallo was injured but still - this franchise has a history of not playing the young guys and that concerns me.

Hopefully we will see a lot of Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill this year.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by OasisBU:

The big question for me is, will Hill get a lot of playing time or do we have another Gallo on our hands who won't be touching the court much. I know Gallo was injured but still - this franchise has a history of not playing the young guys and that concerns me.

Hopefully we will see a lot of Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill this year.

Gallo played alot when he was healthy, I'm pretty sure Hill will get the same. If he plays well, he'll play. What's happened in the past has nothing to do with the here and now, it's a whole different cast of people in charge now.

So what is your take on Gallo? I have been going to school in VA and have not seen the Knicks play much - only against the Wizards and I have not seen Gallo in action. I hope he comes back from the surgery at full strength.

Posted by OasisBU:

The big question for me is, will Hill get a lot of playing time or do we have another Gallo on our hands who won't be touching the court much. I know Gallo was injured but still - this franchise has a history of not playing the young guys and that concerns me.

Hopefully we will see a lot of Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill this year.

I wouldn't worry about that. Walsh and MDA are new to the franchise and now have a history of playing young guys. Chandler, Gallo (when healthy), Lee, Nate.

Posted by martin:

Posted by OasisBU:

The big question for me is, will Hill get a lot of playing time or do we have another Gallo on our hands who won't be touching the court much. I know Gallo was injured but still - this franchise has a history of not playing the young guys and that concerns me.

Hopefully we will see a lot of Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill this year.

I wouldn't worry about that. Walsh and MDA are new to the franchise and now have a history of playing young guys. Chandler, Gallo (when healthy), Lee, Nate.

So if Gallo is healthy do you think MDA will start him?

Posted by OasisBU:

Posted by martin:

Posted by OasisBU:

The big question for me is, will Hill get a lot of playing time or do we have another Gallo on our hands who won't be touching the court much. I know Gallo was injured but still - this franchise has a history of not playing the young guys and that concerns me.

Hopefully we will see a lot of Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill this year.

I wouldn't worry about that. Walsh and MDA are new to the franchise and now have a history of playing young guys. Chandler, Gallo (when healthy), Lee, Nate.

So if Gallo is healthy do you think MDA will start him?

depends on who is with the team at the beginning of the season and how the pieces fit.

Right now the Knicks have Curry/Darko at C; Harrington, Lee, Gallo, Hill who can all play the PF; Harrington, Chandler, Gallo at the SF; Hughes, Chandler, Nate, Douglas for SG; and Nate, Duhon, Douglas at PG.

Lot of bodies to mix and match. I think Gallo will start off the bench at the beginning of the year just cause he is coming off of injury.

No idea if Curry can start or if Darko is starter material (or injury free). Let's say Curry is not ready to start.

Darko, Lee, Harrington, Hughes, Duhon? Darko, Harrington, Chandler, Hughes, Duhon? Lee, Harrington, Chandler, Hughes, Duhon? Darko, Hill, Harrington, Hughes, Duhon? Darko, Hill, Chandler, Hughes, Duhon?

Lots of possibilities.