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6/10/2009  11:29 AM
Posted by PresIke:


Very good PresIke now we know he can shoot. Nice player draft is looking deeper and deeper. Looks like top eight material to me.
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6/10/2009  2:24 PM
What a weird formation he has. He brings the ball hehind his head and then his release is low as hell, yet he hits them.
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6/10/2009  2:24 PM
Posted by PresIke:

that looks like Shareef-Abdur Rahim who's guarding Evans in that video, near the end.

It is him. He was in other workouts too.
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6/10/2009  3:32 PM
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Posted by TMS:

i think SAC or GS would be perfect fits for Jordan Hill at #4 or #7... they could really use him to shore up their frontcourts... of course GS never does anything that makes sense so who knows what they'll do... i don't see any way he'll fall past TOR at #9 tho, especially since it's pretty likely that Bosh won't be re-signing there after this season.

Golden State definately could use him....Memphis is the other team that has a need @ power fwd. He is definately a threat to fall.....Toronto would be extreamly lucky to get a hold of him @ 9.....

Question about Jordan.....do the Knicks pick him if in fact he does fall that low?

i wouldn't mind him at all but i think if Curry is still left on the board then Donnie's gonna take him for sure.
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6/10/2009  3:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PresIke:


Very good PresIke now we know he can shoot. Nice player draft is looking deeper and deeper. Looks like top eight material to me.

This guy could easily end up the best point guard
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6/10/2009  3:52 PM
This isn't IT drafting unconventionally, so far what you here is what's going to happen, imo rubio,curry,thabet,jenings, darozan holliday, flynn,lawson.
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6/10/2009  4:06 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

This isn't IT drafting unconventionally, so far what you here is what's going to happen, imo rubio,curry,thabet,jenings, darozan holliday, flynn,lawson.

The only way I'll be pissed this year is if we take Lawson at 8.
Donnie's a smart man and I'm sure he will get value out of the pick - I definitely wouldn't mind buying a later pick and taking Hill or Derozan if either are. I'd probably be OK trading down and taking Mullens and Lawson as well, but only if Curry and Holiday are gone.


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6/10/2009  4:30 PM
Wow, that was an impressive performance by Evans. I've never been too high on him because I like a few other prospects better, but if he's there at 8, we definitely have to consider taking him (although I think he will be gone by then).

Only thing not too crazy about is that low release point (as Allanfan mentioned) and he doesn't seem to get much lift either. With that said, he is 6'5 in shoes so it shouldn't be a significant problem (especially if he plays PG in the NBA). Looks like he finds a way to get that shot off anyway.
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6/10/2009  6:32 PM
As people have said- strange form on his shot, but he sure as heck didn't miss many in this video. I would like to seem him playing in competitive drills and see if he has similar consistency. I also wonder if the accuracy will hold up during the 40 or so minutes he will be asked to play in an NBA game. Flatter shots have less margin for error and usually don't hold up as well as a player gets tired. His form did remain consistent no matter where he shot from though, and his range seemed fine.

I think people (including myself) may feel a little more at ease with taking him after seeing this. It does nothing to answer the question of whether or not be can be a starting PG in the NBA, but you get the idea that he could also be a SG with little trouble.
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6/10/2009  6:54 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

As people have said- strange form on his shot, but he sure as heck didn't miss many in this video. ...

form is meaningless almost, it's just a rough guideline..the best shooters in history have had weird forms, look at peja stojakovic and reggie miller drazen petrovic.

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6/10/2009  7:02 PM
BJ Mullens looked bad in the Minnesota workout and there were claims that he was crying in the locker room afterwards after Nevill abused him on the court.
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6/10/2009  7:11 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by Paladin55:

As people have said- strange form on his shot, but he sure as heck didn't miss many in this video. ...

form is meaningless almost, it's just a rough guideline..the best shooters in history have had weird forms, look at peja stojakovic and reggie miller drazen petrovic.

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 06-10-2009 6:54 PM]

I'm a purist in terms of shooting. There are always exceptions to the rules, but over time and in the face of all the variables a player faces on the court, good form on a jump shot- especially the release, followthrough, and arch, will give you a greater chance of success as a shooter. This is not my opinion, it is fact.
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6/10/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PresIke:


Very good PresIke now we know he can shoot. Nice player draft is looking deeper and deeper. Looks like top eight material to me.

This guy could easily end up the best point guard

Notice on his form his lower body movement is different. He is not kicking his legs out.
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6/10/2009  7:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

[quote]Posted by PresIke:


Very good PresIke now we know he can shoot. Nice player draft is looking deeper and deeper. Looks like top eight material to me.

This guy could easily end up the best point guard

Notice on his form his lower body movement is different. He is not kicking his legs out.

Yeah, I remember that had been an issue with him. Good to know that someone had worked with him on it and that he had made some changes, although you can see them going forward a little in the video. I had not looked at the legs originally. Perhaps they worked on him not jumping as high on his shot? I think he could still improve his mechanics a little more, but you had to like what you saw, even though there were no 3/3 or 5/5 action.

You could see the quickness he has for a big guard.

I wish the bloody Knicks would lets us see some extended clips from their workouts.
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6/13/2009  2:44 PM
are the warriors drafting a pg or big?
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The toughest time to read Don Nelson is when he's right there in the open, daring you to read him.

Let's give it a try, anyway: All visible signs say the Warriors will take a point guard in a draft rich with point guards, including Jonny Flynn of Syracuse and Brandon Jennings, who worked out at the Warriors facility Thursday.

After the session, Nelson and General Manager Larry Riley had a warm chat with Jennings, who came away from it beaming.

"Just thanking me for coming by," said Jennings, a prep star who played in Italy this year, "and they said, 'See you soon, hopefully.'"

# Nelson and Riley also chatted with Flynn, also a potential high-tempo difference-maker. The draft is 13 days away, and everything now is NBA poker.

But no matter what the Warriors say, Monta Ellis almost certainly isn't their long-term point guard. So they're looking.

If Nelson wants a potential star with playmaking abilities, some maturity, and more size and versatility than the 6-foot Flynn, then Jennings could be tough to pass up at No. 7. Presuming he's still there.

# Even Flynn acknowledged that the speedy 6-2 Jennings was a tough match-up. (Both conceded they struggled with their jumpers.)

"He's definitely one of the best at my position, if not the best," Flynn said. Later: "He's fast, he's crafty.... He knows how
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to use the screen-and-roll. He's a tough guy to keep in front of."

Jennings stressed that he has grown past his reputation as strictly a highlight-reel gunner and that he's a "pure pass-first point guard."

Scouts say the time in Italy — riding the bench, learning angles and pick-and-roll basketball — was nice tutelage for an NBA relaunch.

# Among top point-guard options, the Warriors have worked out Louisville's Terrence Williams, who isn't a pure point, and presumably will take a look at Memphis tweener Tyreke Evans, Davidson shooter-passer Stephen Curry and maybe UCLA's defensive-minded Jrue Holiday.

"Man, this has to be the deepest position for a draft in, like, forever," Flynn said, shaking his head.

A Warriors spokesman confirmed that Riley told a group of season-ticket holders Wednesday night that the team was targeting a point guard or "more beef" in the front court.

But I don't see the Warriors taking a non-shooting big man such as Arizona power forward Jordan Hill, if he slides to No. 7. How could Nelson play Hill with Andris Biedrins and Anthony Randolph?

Most league observers think it will be a point guard, either to replace Ellis (if the Warriors can get a scoring forward in a trade) or to play alongside Ellis. Jennings might be the most intriguing option either way.

"That's what I've been hearing in the media, that they're looking for a pure point guard, somebody to come in and run the team," Jennings said. "That's it, yeah. I'm that guy."

# By the way, Jennings said his feelings about the Warriors won't be soured by his cousin Marcus Williams' bad experience with Nelson last season.

# Flash judgment on Raiders No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Bey at a team workout this week: It's only June, and he has been nursing a hamstring injury, but Heyward-Bey doesn't look close to being a consistent NFL producer.

His routes are ragged and he only really looks comfortable running deep (which the cornerbacks can read) or catching bubble screens. No shock that Maryland couldn't get him the ball.

OAKLAND — What if, when the Warriors are on the clock during the NBA draft June 25, a lauded big man is there for the taking?

What if a 6-foot-10, 235-pound, athletic inside player who some predict could go as high as No. 2 overall, is still on the board for Golden State? What if the Warriors have a chance to nab a player who eventually could fulfill their need for a low-post scorer without slowing down their pace?

"I hear some people saying they do need a point guard," Arizona junior power forward Jordan Hill said of the Warriors. "But that could change. It could be they want a big man."

Hill, 21, is perhaps unlikely to be there when the Warriors' turn comes at No. 7, considering he's regarded as the most NBA-ready big man next to Oklahoma power forward Blake Griffin, who's expected to go No. 1 to the Los Angeles Clippers. But if Hill is there, he may tempt the Warriors to disregard need and go for the best player available.

Hill held a solo workout with the Warriors on Friday morning. He said he was "pretty good" in his showing, which consisted, among other things, of running the floor, shooting midrange jumpers and working with his left hand.

He said he had dinner with Warriors coach Don Nelson on Thursday. He walked away thinking No. 7 might be the lowest he'll go.

"He said if I'm not picked in the top six," Hill said, "they're probably going to take me."

Drafting Hill could give the Warriors some flexibility
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to move a couple of their big men to fill a need. He also has the girth to play center — well, at least more than Warriors power forwards Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright — which means the Warriors theoretically could add Hill without hindering the development of Randolph.

If nothing else, Hill might be good trade bait, as the Warriors are expected to be active in the market.

Though Memphis (No. 2), Oklahoma City (No. 3) and Washington (No. 5) are in the market for a young big man, Hill said falling to No. 7 would in no way be a disappointment. He said he'd fit with the Warriors' style of play and would relish trying to fill their need for inside scoring.

Golden State already has a stable of power forward/center types in Andris Biedrins, Ronny Turiaf, Randolph and Wright. And don't forget about Rob Kurz and Jermareo Davidson deep on the bench.

But Hill would come in being arguably the most capable inside scorer, and he'd give Randolph and Biedrins a run for being the team's best rebounder. He lacks fundamentals and polish, largely because of his inexperience (only two years as a regular starter at Arizona), so he likely wouldn't walk into the starting lineup.

"I heard he's real hard on rookies," Hill said of Nelson. "That's fine. Lute Olson was that way at Arizona."
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6/13/2009  7:08 PM
I seem to recall T. Williams saying he thought that HE was seriously being considered, too.

Lot of bluffing and comments designed to confuse other teams, I think.
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6/14/2009  4:28 PM
We should look to dangle Al Harrington during this draft.





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6/14/2009  6:03 PM
Could Thunder Take DeRozan With Third Pick?

Rumors are circulating that the Thunder could use the third overall pick on USC's DeMar DeRozan.

Oklahoma would play him alongside Kevin Durant, Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook, a lineup that has DeRozan excited.

"That would be great. It would feel good to be in a lineup like that. Kevin Durant's one of the best players in the league, and that would be an opportunity to help build a program from the ground up," DeRozan told HoopsWorld.

"I think we could put Oklahoma City on the map as a top team in the next few years. Playing with a star player would also really help my career. Playing with someone like Kevin Durant, who's been there and remembers what it takes as a rookie to get where you want to go, that would be great because he just did it. I'd love to play with Kevin and help him build his team up."

I tell you what, Westbrook, Derozen,Durant would be the most athletic trio in the NBA. They would make for some very interesting bball.

If im OKC I slide up to #2 for Thabeet unless they know that Memphis is going to take Rubio. If Thabeet turns out to be the real deal then an Thabeet-Durant duo would be deadly. Westbrook, Thabeet & Green would cause havoc on the defensive end while Durnat could carry the scoring load. Westbrook is a pretty good scorer himself. Green is also versitle enough to play the perimeter and give Thabeet a ton of space. With Durant drawing doubles on the perimeter he could make Thabeet's job easier.
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6/14/2009  6:36 PM
tho i think Derozan is easily a top 3 talent in this draft, i'd be pretty surprised to see him go #3 overall... if OKL wants Derozan they're going to trade down for him IMO... i think Griffin, Rubio & Thabeet are pretty much locks for the top 3... i can see MIN trading up to get Rubio in that scenario using their extra picks as sweetener.
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6/14/2009  7:07 PM
This draft keeps getting funnier and funnier. Reports are flying everywhere and each prospect seems to be a lock to go number 3 right now and even if the total of strong prospects makes more than 8, every report keeps suggesting the Knicks won't have good players to draft. So funny yet since its so boring right now, we buy all that shiiz.

When all is said and done, more than one prospect will fall of the "expected positioning right now" and there will be at least one head-scratcher in the top-10.

After Griffin and Thabeet its... Rubio? Curry? DeRozan? Harden? Jennings? Hill? Evans? That makes 9 top prospects. One will fall to 8th and we will be happy.


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