Knicks to pick Stephen Curry with 8th pick?
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MaTT4281
Posts: 35138 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #538 USA |
5/13/2009 2:03 PM
I admit, I was not that big of a Curry fan a few months ago, having only seen him a couple times, but the more I see him, I can't help but like him. He obviously has a great shot, he can make some terrific passes, but most importantly, the kid has a head on his shoulders. Yes, he can make the tough, off-balanced shots, but he doesn't seem to fall in love with them, and makes the right passes.
Obviously, I'm still hoping we strike gold and land either Griffin or Rubio, but I'm growing more optimistic each day that Curry would be a solid selection at 8. |
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TMS
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5/13/2009 4:43 PM
Posted by PresIke: i disagree that worrying about his finishing is overrated... if u think he's a boy amongst men in the Euro Leagues, what will he be at the NBA level? he's a highly rated prospect because he's got tremendous quickness, passing ability & athleticism, but when you're drafting for a PG other things must come into play as well... look, i was high on Jennings all year long, no need to tell me to do more research on the kid... i've watched just about every YouTube clip i could find on the kid & read every scouting report i could find... i would not complain 1 bit if we ended up drafting him & i don't remember ever saying i thought he sucked... all i said was he was having trouble finishing in those Euro clips, & he obviously was... he ain't getting much calls in the NBA as a rook so getting to the foul line if u can't finish might be a problem for him as well. [Edited by - TMS on 05-13-2009 1:49 PM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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JohnWallace44
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5/13/2009 9:48 PM
Posted by ramtour420:Posted by JohnWallace44: That's an interesting theory... however, like I said in a previous post, how about bringing some evidence? How could you possibly say that Morrison and Reddick don't have the mentality first of all? They were all-time players and competitors on the college level, as was Sweetney, as was Khalid El Amin, as was Langdon... get the pattern? Look at our own Wilson Chandler, he has the NBA body, the rest is being developed, same with Ariza before him. Almost no top tier players come in polished anymore. Who are the top young players in the East? Howard, Iguodala, Harris, Rondo, Granger... is that pretty much the top 5? They all came in physical freaks, but unpolished. Gotta go Evans, Holiday, Jennings, Mullens, Derozan - if its not one of them, its a failure by the front office. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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JohnWallace44
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5/13/2009 10:16 PM
RealGM's projection of Curry and Teague
8. Jeff Teague Point Guard. Wake Forest I keep going back and looking closer at Stephen Curry to see if I'm missing something that could make him worth the eighth overall pick for a Knicks team that needs a home run and I still can't see it as anything more than a reach. He would only be this valuable to the Knicks if they were to sign LeBron or Wade next summer, where Curry wouldn't have to handle the ball as much and could spot-up all day long. Teague is a significantly better player in all aspects of the game other than as a perimeter shooter. But Teague even shot 44.1% from beyond the arc compared to 38.7% for Curry. Teague truly is the better option for the Knicks regardless of what happens over the next year. 17. Stephen Curry Combo Guard. Davidson The Sixers need a perimeter shooter and will also need a point guard, so Curry can deliver both. He isn't a bad point guard, but he doesn't have the handle or distribution skills that the players ahead of him have and I think the shooting of those players are more likely to eventually match Curry than the other way around. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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tkf
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5/13/2009 10:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:Posted by ramtour420:Posted by JohnWallace44: Top young players in the EAST? I know you mean outside of lebron and wade, right? But how could you not include Derrick rose? Granger I agree with, but he was a senior who came in with a pretty polished game and granger is far from a physical freak... Are you telling me that Iguoudala is better than Ben gordon and a healthy Luol deng? hmm, those guys were not physical freaks, but players with pretty definded games when they came in the league.... Devin Harris was good at wisconsin, wasn't just a raw athlete.... I think the difference here, is that you are taking raw players with really no definded skills and trying to pair them with guys who were good college or HS athletes but had a pretty defined game already.. with the exception of Dwight howard... Guys like devin harris, granger even iggy(who was always a good defender) had some sort of defined game.... what can you tell me about Jrue? derozan? and evans, execpt that they have "potential"... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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nyk4ever
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5/13/2009 10:47 PM
Well if RealGM says it, it must be true.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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ramtour420
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5/13/2009 11:07 PM
Posted by PresIke: Thank you for more clips of jennings, after watching them i don't feel like stabbing my eyes out at least. He can definately pass, its actually quite refreshing to see. However, him trying to score is the worst i've seen out of like, well anyone. He is a confident kid , so thats always a good thing, just that in MDA's offense the point guard has to be a scoring threat. Duhon could have been an all-star if he was just a little better on offense, no? Jennings would not make an impact on the knicks if selected, for a very long time- long enough to get traded, imho. Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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PresIke
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5/13/2009 11:24 PM
bring back the flat top... know it's considered "passe" but it works. plus i think jennings has many of the right tools to succeed.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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PresIke
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5/13/2009 11:34 PM
one other important factor...jennings has the "Star" nyc quality that can be seen with his haircut...sounds silly? no, it's image, but he plays a game to win. i like it.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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BigSm00th
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5/14/2009 1:12 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44: based on the calhoun comment, i hope we can just win the lotto and get rubio, because CP3, jason kidd, and deron williams, all of whom guarded rubio in the olympics, said the guy can play in the NBA, i'll take their word over jimmy C (who may or may not actually be briggs). interesting debate on curry's "refined" game and his shooting #'s in college. john wallace, mcalarney played with an all-american, and a bunch of big east worthy players. curry played with a bunch of scrubs, he even scored 0 points one game when a team literally doubled him all over the court the entire game. to refute that playing with a bunch of JV players doesn't impact shooting % is an absurd argument. i don't think jennings is that impressive, yea he's quick but if you can't finish what good does that do? nash won 2 MVPs with d'antoni so i'd say finding a player with game similar to nash will yield similar results (maybe not the MVPs but nash has shown a smaller G with lots of range, good passing skills, and the ability to push the rock can dominate the game in d'antoni's system). curry seems to be the most similar to nash, maybe he isn't, its up for walsh to figure out who's the best player. get curry, jonny flynn, evans, and jennings in a gym together and pick the best point, it can't be that hard. the knicks haven't made a good draft pick in freaking YEARS just probability wise the knicks've gotta get lucky one of these years right? we didn't even win a chip with ewing for christ sake #Knickstaps
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Ira
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5/14/2009 6:58 AM
I love the Jennings highlight videos, but the fact that he's just shooting about 38% from the field is hard to ignore.
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TheGame
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5/14/2009 8:14 AM
Jennings' performance in Europe scares me. Maybe the dude was in the wrong system, or maybe he is another pg who has flash but no real substance or consistent jumpshot. We have to get someone who can actually play with this pick. Curry is the only guy I know who has the skills to be a NBA player. He may not turn into a star, but he is going to at least be a Ben Gordon type scorer. If Bobby Knight says he is the best passer in college basketball, I have to believe he can probably play pg competently in this league. Jrue looks solid but he would be a potential pick. The same with Evans and Jennings. All of those guys have as much chance of turning into busts as they do of turning into stars, but none of them have Curry's NBA pedigree or experience.
Trust the Process
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JohnWallace44
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5/14/2009 9:16 AM
Posted by tkf:Posted by JohnWallace44:Posted by ramtour420:Posted by JohnWallace44: Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Finestrg
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5/14/2009 1:12 PM
I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of grabbing Curry with the pick if we remain at 8. I wrote him off early as an undersized 2 and I think that was unfair. I still don't know about the Steve Nash comparisons (there are similarities though) but there's no doubt he has the ability to play the point. He's got a real smoothness about his game and he's always heads-up looking for the right play. Looks like he plays the game with a real high IQ. Plus the jumper's absolute money - let's be honest, this kid probably has the best jumpshot in the entire draft. Now throw in the developing PG skills.... Physically speaking, there are some more intriguing prospects out there but this kid will prove to be a real solid pick for us if we go this route.
Plus there's the friendship with LeBron to consider. Call me nuts, but we need to do whatever we can within reason to get LeBron James in a Knick uniform. If it meant drafting Curry 8, DRAFT CURRY 8!! We need a longterm solution at PG anyway (we have for sometime - to me, it's the most important position on the floor) and I think this kid fits the bill. This kid would make a fine pick even if 'Bron never came here but I tell you what, drafting Curry could improve our chances... Everything considered, Curry looks to be a fairly advanced prospect right now that's capable of coming in and producing right away, even in a starting role. And I don't think his game's done evolving. This kid still has some upside & ceiling to go here - he could and most likely will get stronger as he continues to fill out and mature & like all young guys, he might not even be done growing yet. He'll continue to develop his already more-than-decent handle (I like how he keeps his dribble) and he'll continue to develop that plus court vision. I really have no idea why I dismissed this kid early on. He can play. He might wind up being the best guard prospect taken in this draft - better than Rubio. - Grab Curry with the 8th pick. - Look to sure up the PF spot in case Lee departs. If we could get an extra 1st rounder, get DeJuan Blair. At the very least buy a later pick and grab Taj Gibson. These guys aren't the prototype MDA players but I think D'Antoni could learn to repect the toughness & intangibles each guy would bring. - Get at least 1 more shooter. Bring in Morris Almond for a tryout, obtain a 2nd rounder and grab a Meeks/Christmas/J. Taylor or be prepared to invite an undrafted talent or two to camp - KC Rivers, Vassallo, Jack McClinton all could possibly go undrafted and they're all good players. Be smart with the summer league/training camp invitations for once - invite some real talent in that might have a shot to make the club. - They need to find a way to deal themselves back in mix for next years draft. Get back in the 1st round next year. Think about drafting Andrew Oglivy. Big and very skilled big man. Could be our answer at center. |
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tkf
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5/14/2009 2:20 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:Posted by tkf:Posted by JohnWallace44:Posted by ramtour420:Posted by JohnWallace44: Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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Knicks to pick Stephen Curry with 8th pick?