dude, we're just a traumatized bunch, as knicks fans.

i'm not even completely joking either.

good thing there is an increasing body of literature about historical trauma groups. maybe we can use it for guidance..haha

Posted by djsunyc:

playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.

How ironic if this is true. We have Walsh brought in to be something of the Anti-Isiah, and one of the first duties on the job is to bring in a Euro (something Isiah never did, so an Anti-Isiah must) but the choice is made by Isiah and his crew.

Posted by PresIke:

his confidence is more than fine when he has the ball, it's just that they aren't looking to get him the ball much, as i've observed.

the idea, from what i've read, is to get him gradually involved.

this stuff doesn't happen overnight, when you've never played in the nba, been hurt and not even able to practice in your rookie season.

"IN YOUR ROOKIE SEASON."

if in a year or two we can see he is not developing, then so be it, although there have always been late bloomers.

the panic is just too much. no wonder i feel like barely reading or post these days.

the team is just not that good, yet.

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-11-2009 10:54 AM]

exactly and I posted this sequence on realgm, and this has been commonplace with this team.

GAllo scores two early baskets, shoot an airball and he goes to bench

second half:

He gets a pass is fouled, hits two FT's

next posession, he gets the ball off a slight curl, the defense overreacts to his jumper, he goes left, gets by and is fouled.

I think the next posession, it happens again. they take the ball out of bounds, not in the penalty yet..

Next play, I think jeffries ends up bricking a jumper.. LOL..

The knicks don't work off mismatches well as a team, they could have easily worked another play off gallo and gotten easy shot for another player.. Instead, we now run this nate and Al iso offense and Tim thomas in the post with jeffries usually taking jumpers.. I mean WTF?

"As NYers because we haven't had a project in like......forever.....we don't realize that often times they look bad in the beginning."

With the 8th pick in the 2005 NBA draft the New York Knicks select..........

..............Channing Frye out of the University of Arizona

And sometimes they look good in the beginning

Posted by Rookie:

Come to think of it...didn't pass over Andrew Bynum to get Frye?

Please don't start that again....

Originally posted by newyorknewyork:

Briggs you wanted to draft Randolph & Mcgee and said they would not be ready there first few yrs. You said that you wanted to stash them and wait 3yrs and then reap the benefits.

Why does Randolph & Mcgee get a 3 yr window but Gallinari does not to you? Gallinari is posting up similar #s to both of them on the season even though he missed most of the teams games and practices with a back injury?

You keep bringing up Brock Lopez when you had Randolph, Mcgee, & Bayless (who Gallinari is putting up better #s then) ahead of him. Since Lopez is producing you are riding him when he wasn't your first, 2nd or even 3rd option. You have 4 guys that you are cappable of riding whenever any of them produce. Randolph, Mcgee, Bayless hardly produced so you hardly bring them up at this point.

Lamarcus Aldridge the #2 pick was average his rookie yr until he had a very strong last month of the season in March and there are many rookies just like that.

Originally posted by Phazerone:

Not so fast with the same stats stuff. Actually it's shocking but Gallinari is actually playing more minutes per game than Randolph while only scoring slightly better and getting less rebounds and more blocks. McGee scores slightly less but like Randolph get more rebounds than Gallo and more blocks. Randolph is playing for a guy who doesn't like him and still producing and playing with Crawford, Jackson and Maggette. It is amazing that he even touches the ball. McGee is playing in a half court system with Antawn and Butler. Wait til Arenas get healthy again. All 3 players could claim that they are being frozen out.

So Randolph & Mcgee get passes because of there situations while Gallo doesn't? They should be producing better then him at this point since they were able to practice and play with the team all season plus summer league while Gallo had to shut it down for months since the first summer league game. And they aren't even really producing that much better then him if at all. Randolph & Mcgee are athletes so granted its easier for them to play without the ball using there athleticism. Gallo is a shooter, passer, spread the floor, intangible guy. He isn't going to get a lot of rebounds or blocks we all new this when he was drafted. But he is going to deflect passes, spread the floor, force an opponent to have to come out to him, shoot the rock very well. Randolph & Mcgee have the advantage being athletic rookies over Gallo. Gallo skill set is that of a guy with the ball in his hands which he isn't going to be able to show off that much this yr.

Randolph & Mcgee should have better rebs and blocks then Gallo they are severely more athletic and one of them plays center. But Randolph also is shooting 42fg%, 0 3s, 70ft% while Gallo is shooting 50,46,100. As we would expect as while rebs and block Randolph has the advantage, Gallo has the advantage as a shooter. Mcgee being a center mostly scoring on put backs while rarely showing off his jumper is averaging 49% 63ft% he plays center so rebs & blocks should be a given. But he also plays on the worst team in the NBA and is only getting 15mins a game.

If Randolph & Mcgee were allowed to have a development period to put there games together so should Gallo.

Originally posted by Briggs:

Yeah I didn't think 6 would get Lopez and when we signed Dantoni I knew it wasnt even a choice. That doesnt mean I didnt have him ranked very high all year. So I looked for athletes who could fit his system after Dantoni was hired. I know almost no one will admit it but I would rather have anyone I mentioned than Gallinari[and forget the guys I mentioned as well---two guys who I didnt think were so good in Gordon and Augustin and someone who didnt get much play Speights] The reason why--Gallinari is not a 6 pick dude. I dont think I am wrong saying go after both Mcgee and Randolph and wait a few years. Looking back I feel like I was right on about it and I think coming years will prove it. The player I talked about most is Lopez--you can go look it up--its right there--there were very nice multiple avenues in this draft. Im not discounting Gallinari--I dont think anyone is calling him a bust but I do think he was taken 10-15 spots to high. Now some of the people who may work for the Knicks will be crying wait wait see what we have--but we''ll be having the same conversations for a long time--and he will have his 20 point games. Its everything else that he wont do.

You wanted Anthony Randolph, that is who you would have picked at #6. If Anthony Randolph is allowed a 3yr window in order to develop then Gallo should be given that same time frame. In order to develop his strength and game just like you stated with Randolph.

Its obvious that Gallo is a player that is better with the ball in his hands. Thats where his skill set shines. Its also obvious that he needs to add more strength. When they start putting the ball in his hands more that would be a better time to judge him.

MDA has probably told Gallinari what he wants from him, and Gallinari is trying to follow orders. If he tells Gallinari he has the same freedom to play that Harrington has, then maybe we will see a different player.

I see a kid who is too deferential to his teammates, and have to think that he has been told that his role is a minimal one until he hears differently from his coach. It would be nice if they could work a play for him- maybe have Lee or Jeffries set a pick for him so be can be freed up for a jumper off a Duhon pass- anything that indicates he is part of the offense and not just the guy who only gets the ball when every other option has been tried twice and been unsuccessful.

If his strength at this point is his shot, then why not maximize that ability when planning your offense? I would rather have Gallinari taking an open jumper than many of the Knicks who presently take them on a regular basis.

Why move with a purpose on the offensive end when you know that you are only going to get the ball when you are standing outside the 3 pt. circle? The best thing for Gallinari is to be given some added responsibilities and freedom on offense. Let him play for real, and let him play through the mistakes, because that is the only way he will grow as a player.

Posted by Paladin55:

MDA has probably told Gallinari what he wants from him, and Gallinari is trying to follow orders. If he tells Gallinari he has the same freedom to play that Harrington has, then maybe we will see a different player.

I see a kid who is too deferential to his teammates, and have to think that he has been told that his role is a minimal one until he hears differently from his coach. It would be nice if they could work a play for him- maybe have Lee or Jeffries set a pick for him so be can be freed up for a jumper off a Duhon pass- anything that indicates he is part of the offense and not just the guy who only gets the ball when every other option has been tried twice and been unsuccessful.

If his strength at this point is his shot, then why not maximize that ability when planning your offense? I would rather have Gallinari taking an open jumper than many of the Knicks who presently take them on a regular basis.

Why move with a purpose on the offensive end when you know that you are only going to get the ball when you are standing outside the 3 pt. circle? The best thing for Gallinari is to be given some added responsibilities and freedom on offense. Let him play for real, and let him play through the mistakes, because that is the only way he will grow as a player.

Because he is out of sync with the offense and frequently out of position on defense. He looks like a chicken without a head roaming around bumping into other players and clogging the lane when he's not standing in the corner. I think MDA is just trying to get him in the flow and using him to spread the floor. The only difference between the way MDA used Robersuck and Gallinari right now is that Robersuck was throwing up bricks and other teams didn't have to cover him which rendered him useless to spread the floor and got him a seat on the bench. As long as Gallinari hits his shots, he'll get playing time. In time, hopefully, he'll get more into the flow but I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening too soon. He's waaaaaay behind.

Bip, I completely agree with you. I'd also like to see him put the ball on the floor more too instead of catch and pass. I think it was you who coined the phrase 'dribble renewer'

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-11-2009 3:33 PM]

it's weird to me that Q gets a lot of looks from the outside but Gallo does not. Is Q on the weakside of the offense?

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by BasketballJones:

I turned against the internationals when I saw "The Wave" being done at MSG.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-11-2009 11:57]

haha....i hate the wave too...i don't know if that's international fans as much as others who are just not there for the game as much as the "experience" of being at a game.

i love the wave so you "experts" should shut up.

btw i was at the celtic game. during warmups for the 2nd half gallo was shooting just inside the 3-point line. i don't know, 15-20 shots. did not miss a single one!!! net, net, net, net. the guy is a FREAKY shooter. i'm disappointed that he hasn't produced more on the court yet,too. i wanted instant gratification, why the F not - I AIN'T GETTING ANY YOUNGER GUYS!!!! but look, we have him for at least 2-3 more years, let's develop the kid, and learn how to get him shots in our offense. he is just sick money from the field.