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Nuanced Game Thread - Knicks at Hornets 1/12/2008 - Watch or Argue: Your Choice
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djsunyc
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1/12/2009  11:54 PM
didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?
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1/12/2009  11:58 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

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1/12/2009  11:59 PM
Posted by Marv:

yeah good win. looked like tonite they decided to move the ball around more and for people to look for someone open. loved q finding dlee on the drives.

I credit this win to dj who obviously got through to

now if triano listens to me and realize that the big shots and possessions should go through bargs and not bosh, the raps would be in a better place.

and bip:
For me, the best sign is that after all the bad losses they have not quit like they would have in prior years. I give 100% credit to D'Antoni for that. He's such a great coach I want to have sex with him.

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1/13/2009  12:02 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

He got the team to play with more effort.
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1/13/2009  12:06 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

Win

yeah, i think that's it... he told these guys to win for a change & to execute plays... i can't believe he didn't start doing this sooner.
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1/13/2009  12:10 AM
Making shots was also part of the game plan tonight. It was an interesting adjustment.
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1/13/2009  12:11 AM
good win, nice ball movement, big shot making in the end..

Wilson came through again.

Al was somewhat tamed

7 seconds or less is just too much for these guys. they can't think straight that fast.

So I guess we went to the push the ball, and run the offense scheme tonight..

good win..
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1/13/2009  12:12 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?




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yeah, i think that's it... he told these guys to win for a change & to execute plays... i can't believe he didn't start doing this sooner.

Finally he mentally out of Phonix...
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[Edited by - arkrud on 01-13-2009 12:13 AM]
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1/13/2009  12:16 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?




Win

yeah, i think that's it... he told these guys to win for a change & to execute plays... i can't believe he didn't start doing this sooner.

Finally he mentally out of Phonix...
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[Edited by - arkrud on 01-13-2009 12:13 AM]

asking players to win games is not a proven system to bring championships tho... i think we might need to head in a different direction.
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1/13/2009  12:23 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

The team was running half court sets as if they had been coached. Good spacing, ball movement and finding the open man. 3's were taken within the framework of the offense and not just chucked up for the hell of it, aside from Nate. They also played very man to man defense. Good rotations, hands up and good boxing out. Not the typical Ole defense and missed rotations that lead to layup drills for the other team. The SSOL BS was tabled at least for 1 night and Nate was reigned in as much as possible.
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1/13/2009  12:45 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

For me, the best sign is that after all the bad losses they have not quit like they would have in prior years. I give 100% credit to D'Antoni for that. He's such a great coach I want to have sex with him.

rotflmfao!!!!

dude you crazy....i just spit beer all over myself!
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1/13/2009  12:47 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

The team was running half court sets as if they had been coached. Good spacing, ball movement and finding the open man. 3's were taken within the framework of the offense and not just chucked up for the hell of it, aside from Nate. They also played very man to man defense. Good rotations, hands up and good boxing out. Not the typical Ole defense and missed rotations that lead to layup drills for the other team. The SSOL BS was tabled at least for 1 night and Nate was reigned in as much as possible.

You're something else....pretending like this is the FIRST game that Mike has coached and the FIRST game the team has run a slowed down offense.

DJ, They played how they did against the Celtics for the most part, and they got the win as a result. Nothing more nothing less they were crisp, they were focused, they had limited turnovers, and attacked the rim. All the things they've done in several wins and several close games so far this year.
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1/13/2009  12:51 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bippity10:

For me, the best sign is that after all the bad losses they have not quit like they would have in prior years. I give 100% credit to D'Antoni for that. He's such a great coach I want to have sex with him.

rotflmfao!!!!

dude you crazy....i just spit beer all over myself!

LMAO i just noticed this too.
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1/13/2009  1:04 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

The team was running half court sets as if they had been coached. Good spacing, ball movement and finding the open man. 3's were taken within the framework of the offense and not just chucked up for the hell of it, aside from Nate. They also played very man to man defense. Good rotations, hands up and good boxing out. Not the typical Ole defense and missed rotations that lead to layup drills for the other team. The SSOL BS was tabled at least for 1 night and Nate was reigned in as much as possible.

You're something else....pretending like this is the FIRST game that Mike has coached and the FIRST game the team has run a slowed down offense.

DJ, They played how they did against the Celtics for the most part, and they got the win as a result. Nothing more nothing less they were crisp, they were focused, they had limited turnovers, and attacked the rim. All the things they've done in several wins and several close games so far this year.

I wonder why the MSG guys were saying that this was the most impressive win of the year. They won by more against the Celts, who are also considered to be the better team, especially when the Knicks beat them.

The Knicks also played, by far, their most efficient and complete game of the season. Offensively they had 30 assists on 39 made attempts and defensively they held the Hornets to 38% shooting when they had been dead last in the NBA in that category. To say that they've played like this at any point this season would be plain wrong.
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1/13/2009  1:16 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

The team was running half court sets as if they had been coached. Good spacing, ball movement and finding the open man. 3's were taken within the framework of the offense and not just chucked up for the hell of it, aside from Nate. They also played very man to man defense. Good rotations, hands up and good boxing out. Not the typical Ole defense and missed rotations that lead to layup drills for the other team. The SSOL BS was tabled at least for 1 night and Nate was reigned in as much as possible.

You're something else....pretending like this is the FIRST game that Mike has coached and the FIRST game the team has run a slowed down offense.

DJ, They played how they did against the Celtics for the most part, and they got the win as a result. Nothing more nothing less they were crisp, they were focused, they had limited turnovers, and attacked the rim. All the things they've done in several wins and several close games so far this year.

I wonder why the MSG guys were saying that this was the most impressive win of the year. They won by more against the Celts, who are also considered to be the better team, especially when the Knicks beat them.

The Knicks also played, by far, their most efficient and complete game of the season. Offensively they had 30 assists on 39 made attempts and defensively they held the Hornets to 38% shooting when they had been dead last in the NBA in that category. To say that they've played like this at any point this season would be plain wrong.



Well this team sucks so bad our coach will never be able to duplicate this again. This now has become the main point. We win via accidental wins.
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1/13/2009  1:18 AM
I agree with Isles - best game of the year for the Knicks. Beating the Celts when they are in a funk and the Knicks play like crap is not a good win. This is a good win. This is the first time with this lineup, aka with Jefferies starting, that they've looked cohesive. Jefferies is still a nightmare on offense, but he did move the ball at least.

To answer DJ, a big difference that I saw tonight was Qrich being more aggressive and taking the ball to the paint and finding guys with passes - i think he had at least 8 assists. QRich is a good player, just not a very reliable shooter. If he can become more of a facilitator this team will only benefit. For Nate and Al and most everyone else, it looked like there was an emphasis on not dribbling much if at all - many crisp passes around the perimeter and good passes to cutters. 30 assists on 39 field goals is remarkable, more because they weren't just passes to jump shooters, they were passes to cutters going back door and coming off picks and guys sliding to the right spots. The team looked like they knew what they were doing tonight. That said, we got some favorable calls from the officials and some lucky bounces, but we beat a far superior team.

I don't understand some of the comments in this thread - of course the coaching matters, of course installing a system with these players matters (so you know who to keep and who to ditch) and of course D'Antoni has been doing a lot of work with these guys. This is one of the weirdest game threads I've seen all season which is particularly weird because it is by far the best win I have seen in the D'Antoni era.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 13-01-2009 01:25 AM]
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Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game...but it looks like the knicks played differently tonight. you see, that's all i was wondering, but it looks like mda did change it up.

can someone explain what exactly he did different tonight?

The team was running half court sets as if they had been coached. Good spacing, ball movement and finding the open man. 3's were taken within the framework of the offense and not just chucked up for the hell of it, aside from Nate. They also played very man to man defense. Good rotations, hands up and good boxing out. Not the typical Ole defense and missed rotations that lead to layup drills for the other team. The SSOL BS was tabled at least for 1 night and Nate was reigned in as much as possible.

You're something else....pretending like this is the FIRST game that Mike has coached and the FIRST game the team has run a slowed down offense.

DJ, They played how they did against the Celtics for the most part, and they got the win as a result. Nothing more nothing less they were crisp, they were focused, they had limited turnovers, and attacked the rim. All the things they've done in several wins and several close games so far this year.

I wonder why the MSG guys were saying that this was the most impressive win of the year. They won by more against the Celts, who are also considered to be the better team, especially when the Knicks beat them.

The Knicks also played, by far, their most efficient and complete game of the season. Offensively they had 30 assists on 39 made attempts and defensively they held the Hornets to 38% shooting when they had been dead last in the NBA in that category. To say that they've played like this at any point this season would be plain wrong.



Well this team sucks so bad our coach will never be able to duplicate this again. This now has become the main point. We win via accidental wins.


If the team doesnt want to buy in to this scheme after the success they had, i'm all for trading these losers .

PS How was Nate
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1/13/2009  5:38 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

Pharzeone and Isles: Pull out one post where that was said. Or are you just flaming. Well we know that you guys are flaming, but I didn't mean it that way.

Watch out for the game to game roller coaster. It's going to be a rough one.

Are you serious? Go through DJ's "D'Antoni's offense sucks" thread and see how many times you say that it doesn't matter who the coach is (absolving D'Antoni for doing nothing) because nobody could win (like that matters) with these players (the roster sucks so why bother).

So you interpret that to mean that Bip, the guy who is the angriest about the team quitting on LB a few years ago because he was "mean" is fine with D'Antoni quitting on the team today because they aren't any "good"? What does the team stinking have to do with whether I feel they are "worth coaching" or not? Did I say this "the roster sucks so why bother" or are those your own created words. Come on guy,I know this is typical Isles, but You aren't talking to a novice here.

The past few days you and some others have claimed that D'Antoni has not been coaching this year. The implication is that he has not taught fundamentals, defense, offense etc. But tonight magically 2 nights after a misearable loss he decided that offensive sets and are important and that he preached defense harder. Maybe you feel it's because of your intense pressure from the message boards. My point is that this guy has been pushing these things from the get go. But because we are a bad team, losses and sloppy play is often times the way they manifest themselves.

I'm assuming that you've played basketball before. So I'm assuming you know that it takes more than a couple days for teams to grasp sets and put them into action on the floor. It takes weeks of practice to understand anything new. It takes months to change long time habits. D'antoni has been working on these things from day one and tonight they worked. Two nights ago they didn't. Next game, who knows. Right now we are on pace for 32-33 wins which is right where the roster suggests we should be. As the season goes on maybe we improve and do better than that. Maybe we go in the tank and win 23 games. But not at any point in time does that mean the the team "isn't worth coaching". I dont' care if the team doesn' win another game all year. You can't set a cultural change(which you should know I was the first to mention this) in an organization if the team "isn't worth coaching". This team has bad habits. Habits from years of losing. The coach is working on fixing these and on some nights he will. On others he won't. This is a given. When analyzing his coaching ability and effort it's probablymore accurate to be patient and not your typical irrational fan and analyze his effort over the course of a season, and not game to game.
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1/13/2009  8:09 AM
Ugly win--It's OK to beat a Washington at home--but if we are "rebuilding" then beating NO on the road is a brutal win
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1/13/2009  8:37 AM
what are you gonna do - root for losses and be upset at wins? you're better off unplugging from the team for a year and a half and then check back.
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