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Finestrg
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1/5/2009  12:24 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

^ I want Rodriguez over both Bayless or a pick. Lee is a young guy with proven numbers, whereas Rodriguez is a young guy in the process of proving his numbers

As much as I admire Sergio's creativity and pass-first game at the point, I rather have Bayless to be honest. I want Bayless and DeAndre Jordan. If I got a chance to obtain and develop both of those young guys, Portland can have Lee. If Donnie can find a way to expand this to benefit us even further (unload a Q or Jeffries, get back Camby, etc.), great, but it would be essential for me to get back Bayless and Jordan here if both of these teams are involved. I agree with some of you though - why the Clippers even get involved here is beyond me. How can that team afford to lose TWO big men in Camby and DeAndre Jordan like in that rumor that guy came up with on Tommy Dee's sight???? We'll see what happens...
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1/5/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Right now, Donnie is in the drivers seat. He needs to sell high for DLee. Sergio/Bayless, Camby and Frye is good for starters.

BUT..

I hope people understand that if you do this deal, our chances of making the playoffs this year just got slimmer.


Why - Camby is an instant improvement over Lee and Bayless would be an explosive scoring option - not to mention any contribution from Frye. Why are we getting worse and losing a chance on the playoffs? Please don't compare Lee to Camby even Camby at 34 -- he just pulled down 20 boards last night.
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1/5/2009  12:30 PM
Folks- you still need to consider that in 2010 we might get a Lebron/Bosh/Wade or other player not as a direct FA signing, but in a S&T, where having Lee signed makes sense- so I don't think its an automatic that we don't sign him. But, whatever money he gets needs to be reasonable.

As long as we have space in our cap for 1 FA signing, and a team is threatened with losing their star for nothing, they will agree to receive back a nice attractive package of talented players who might include Lee, Nate & Filler (Chandler?).
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1/5/2009  12:31 PM
TKF - I do. I think Bayless actually has Marbury type physical gifts & that's a pretty good compliment. The downside is I'm not sure if he has a playmaking mindset. But I think he can be a great scorer in this offense.
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1/5/2009  12:33 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Right now, Donnie is in the drivers seat. He needs to sell high for DLee. Sergio/Bayless, Camby and Frye is good for starters.

BUT..

I hope people understand that if you do this deal, our chances of making the playoffs this year just got slimmer.


Why - Camby is an instant improvement over Lee and Bayless would be an explosive scoring option - not to mention any contribution from Frye. Why are we getting worse and losing a chance on the playoffs? Please don't compare Lee to Camby even Camby at 34 -- he just pulled down 20 boards last night.

Lee is averaging 15 pts, 11 rbs and 0.3 blks per game in about 34 mins
Camby is averaging 12 pts, 13.5 rbs and 2.8 blks per game in about 35 mins

Lee's stats are inflated in our system as virtually every set starts with Lee diving to the hoop on the pick and roll.

Only thing favoring Lee in a Camby comparison is age.

That said Camby is a unique athlete who could conceivably play at a high level into his late 30s'.
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1/5/2009  12:35 PM
Posted by King1:

I think the longer Donnie waits the longer he will get fleeced in a trade. A team will geive up their 10 or 11th man for a guy that averages a double-double. These teams know Knicks arent going to match so they will wait until this summer and bid on him. They should have traded him last year.

i think you are completely wrong.
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1/5/2009  12:41 PM
Well look at the names that have been thrown out there guys that dont play.
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1/5/2009  12:44 PM
Just an update here these things arent going to happen.
1. Camby isnt getting traded to the Knicks
2. Curry wont be ready to play on this trip
3. Gallinari probably wont play any this year.
4. The Knicks wont get equal value for Lee in a trade since he is a RFA. If you think a guy that cant beat out Blake is equal value then we look at things different.
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1/5/2009  12:47 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by King1:

If MDA is the reason all these guys are good why cant he use the magic potion on our guys to shoot the ball better? Why cant he make Jeffires a ball player? I think we give the coach too much credit when we win and it is the players fault when we lose.

i think has gotten plenty of blame for his play-calling and lack of reining guys in when we lose.

I dunno why. Al and Nate got sent to the bench for their selfish chucking and Nate only took 4 shots last night. Chandler and Harrington have both come back strong as a result. Lee even played defense last night shockingly. I'd say Mike's done a pretty good job diffusing whatever it was that led to that slump.

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1/5/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

if we can get Camby & DeAndre Jordan for D Lee i would make that trade

I would want a tad more, like Bayless too or a first rounder.

Jordan was had for a 2nd rounder and Camby IS a 1+ year rental (which can be moved again).

not likely we're getting a 1st round pick from the Clips... their pick is gonna be top 3 this season... maybe from POR, but my guess is that pick is more likely to go to the Clips in the deal, w/Lee going to POR, Q Rich going to LAC & us getting Camby & maybe something else... i just don't want that "something else" to be Channing Frye... i MUCH MUCH rather get back D Jordan... i think asking for Bayless also is a little too optimistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-05-2009 08:10 AM]

To me IT'S GOT TO START with Bayless. Bayless and Port's pick or Bayless and Jordan if the Clips get involved. Anything else is a second rate return...
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1/5/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by King1:

Just an update here these things arent going to happen.
1. Camby isnt getting traded to the Knicks
2. Curry wont be ready to play on this trip
3. Gallinari probably wont play any this year.
4. The Knicks wont get equal value for Lee in a trade since he is a RFA. If you think a guy that cant beat out Blake is equal value then we look at things different.

If the Knicks do something where Sergio Rodriquez is the main piece of a trade for DAVID LEE after the draft disaster and very soft Randolph compensation--I will have very little confidence going forward. Should I start looking for an obscure foreign player for the draft next year or are we trading the rights for Fran Vazquez?

King1--did you watch NC--BC at all last night? Also Im sure you have seen Patrick Patterson--he is an absolute beast. I know we are not getting pick 1 but somehow Id like to get Patterson and one of the nice guards if we can get an extra pick. I think Patterson has the ability to sky rocket up to top 5 unfortunately.
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1/5/2009  1:03 PM
Love Patterson he is a beast and will be a nice NBA player. What do you think of the Blair kid from Pitt?
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1/5/2009  1:03 PM
Posted by King1:

Just an update here these things arent going to happen.
1. Camby isnt getting traded to the Knicks
2. Curry wont be ready to play on this trip
3. Gallinari probably wont play any this year.
4. The Knicks wont get equal value for Lee in a trade since he is a RFA. If you think a guy that cant beat out Blake is equal value then we look at things different.

Here's what bothers me. You pick and choose at info to respond to. Who said they Lee for Bayless (or Sergio or whomever you are referring to that can't beat out Blake) straight up was what Donnie was shooting for?

Lee couldn't beat out Mo Taylor in his rookie year. DOn't mean he didn't have value.
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1/5/2009  1:03 PM
Posted by King1:

Just an update here these things arent going to happen.
1. Camby isnt getting traded to the Knicks
2. Curry wont be ready to play on this trip
3. Gallinari probably wont play any this year.
4. The Knicks wont get equal value for Lee in a trade since he is a RFA. If you think a guy that cant beat out Blake is equal value then we look at things different.

I agree that I see little reason for the Clippers to trade Camby. He does not have a longterm deal and they need him now with Randoplh and Kaman hurt. If they do trade him, they will probably want more than Portland's 1st round pick (even though they only gave up a 2nd round pick to get him).

I do think that the Knicks are seriously considering trading Lee simply because they don't want to resign him for $10 million per season and probably think that DG may be able to fill Lee's role. I doubt DG can pull down 10 rebounds but there is no question the kid can shoot better than Lee and could not possibly be any worse on defense.

A deal of Frye, Bayless, and a 1st round pick from Portland for Lee and Rose is probably the best we are going to get.
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1/5/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by King1:

Love Patterson he is a beast and will be a nice NBA player. What do you think of the Blair kid from Pitt?

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1/5/2009  1:05 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Right now, Donnie is in the drivers seat. He needs to sell high for DLee. Sergio/Bayless, Camby and Frye is good for starters.

BUT..

I hope people understand that if you do this deal, our chances of making the playoffs this year just got slimmer.


Why - Camby is an instant improvement over Lee and Bayless would be an explosive scoring option - not to mention any contribution from Frye. Why are we getting worse and losing a chance on the playoffs? Please don't compare Lee to Camby even Camby at 34 -- he just pulled down 20 boards last night.

Lee is averaging 15 pts, 11 rbs and 0.3 blks per game in about 34 mins
Camby is averaging 12 pts, 13.5 rbs and 2.8 blks per game in about 35 mins

Lee's stats are inflated in our system as virtually every set starts with Lee diving to the hoop on the pick and roll.

Only thing favoring Lee in a Camby comparison is age.

That said Camby is a unique athlete who could conceivably play at a high level into his late 30s'.

Any deal from now on, specially multiplayer deals, will be a step back to team cohesion. A lot of teaching by the coaching staff is done during training camp. The NBA season does not let teams get much practice. I am not saying talent wise is the reason but rather team wise. You are talking about disrupting team chemistry. Duhon's chemistry with DLee is uncanny. You will see Camby's worth next year or late in the year when he finally get enough burn with the team.
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1/5/2009  1:10 PM
Okay Martin even if they give you Sergio and Bayless the Knicks are getting Portland trash for a 6th man on a playoff team. Kleiza wasnt fair market value either. The Knicks will get fleeced if they trade Lee the way he is playing. There is no way you will get a starter for Lee in any trade.
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1/5/2009  1:12 PM
Briggs you have to see Doc Rivers son he is going to be the top player in the 2011 class. I saw him get 47 the other day against a great team. I think this year draft you have to trade down and get multiple players
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1/5/2009  1:18 PM
I can't believe I'm gonn say this (although I actually think I did recently) but Frye is a pretty ideal player for D'Antoni's system, and might make sense to be brought back in such a deal.
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1/5/2009  1:23 PM
Posted by King1:

Okay Martin even if they give you Sergio and Bayless the Knicks are getting Portland trash for a 6th man on a playoff team. Kleiza wasnt fair market value either. The Knicks will get fleeced if they trade Lee the way he is playing. There is no way you will get a starter for Lee in any trade.

They may not get a starter for Lee but they may not get fleeced either.

Keeping Lee at somewhere between $8-10M per year means the Knicks may throw away a shot at signing 2 max players. Maybe Donnie thinks Lee is a starter and will offer him what Lee wants and no one gets fleeced and everyone is happy. Maybe Donnie pushes for Camby, Deandre Jordan, Bayless and spins Camby for something else. who know.

The better Lee plays the more teams like POR will be willing to give up for him. The worse Lee plays the less the Knicks can demand for him. The fact that Lee is a RFA only will scare teams that don't have the long term willingness to trade for Lee; if Portland thinks Lee will be a cog after Oden and Aldridge, then that would remove Lee's leverage (if there was any) and increase Knicks' leverage.
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