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oohah
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11/29/2008  9:57 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Wow do the Warriors care? Or are they too tired of their last games they have no intensity and no desire to win?

Crawford effect.

oohah

see now ur just being silly... Jamal's not the guy guarding D Lee, Chandler & Harrington.

Yes, he Crawford only guard one player, or more accurately, 0 players. I am talking about the effect Crawford has on a team in general. It's not silly, it is well documented. I can't make you believe it though so I won't try.

by the way, who is Crawford guarding? Duhon? With 22 assists right? Maybe that has something to do with Lee, Chandler's and Harrington's great games...

oohah

k, fine, it's all Jama's fault the Warriors lost their last 4 games in a row... how could i argue w/that kind of logic.

If you have to exaggerate what I am saying to absurdum to argue with it, it probably means you can't argue with what I am really saying.

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11/29/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Knicksfan:

Wow do the Warriors care? Or are they too tired of their last games they have no intensity and no desire to win?

Crawford effect.

oohah

see now ur just being silly... Jamal's not the guy guarding D Lee, Chandler & Harrington.

Yes, he Crawford only guard one player, or more accurately, 0 players. I am talking about the effect Crawford has on a team in general. It's not silly, it is well documented. I can't make you believe it though so I won't try.

by the way, who is Crawford guarding? Duhon? With 22 assists right? Maybe that has something to do with Lee, Chandler's and Harrington's great games...

oohah

k, fine, it's all Jama's fault the Warriors lost their last 4 games in a row... how could i argue w/that kind of logic.

If you have to exaggerate what I am saying to absurdum to argue with it, it probably means you can't argue with what I am really saying.

oohah

ur the one talking about the so-called "Crawford effect" here... who's the one exaggerating things to absurdum?
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11/29/2008  10:06 PM
5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production
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11/29/2008  10:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production

Too bad maximum contracts aren't give from 5 games of production. Oh wait, they are. Jerome James got the max MLE for Isiah for a playoff series.
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11/29/2008  10:15 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:

5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production

Too bad maximum contracts aren't give from 5 games of production. Oh wait, they are. Jerome James got the max MLE for Isiah for a playoff series.

He wont get maximum but there will be a team who offers him 60mm ---it's going to be his fair market value comp. Were going to have to be smart and buckle down and sign him.

Maybe we can use our draft pick next year to get rid of Curry so we can put Lee in his salary slot.
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11/29/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production

Or a very, VERY nice package in a trade.
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11/29/2008  10:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by BRIGGS:

5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production

Too bad maximum contracts aren't give from 5 games of production. Oh wait, they are. Jerome James got the max MLE for Isiah for a playoff series.

He wont get maximum but there will be a team who offers him 60mm ---it's going to be his fair market value comp. Were going to have to be smart and buckle down and sign him.

Maybe we can use our draft pick next year to get rid of Curry so we can put Lee in his salary slot.

Here is the deal. David Lee is not worth $10 million a year. Market value or no market value, I'd much rather trade him at he draft for a lottery pick than waste $10 million on a role player who plays no defense.

I always find it funny how you come out of the woodwork and make these posts when someone has a big game to back up your point. I don't care if he went for 50 and 30 today. That wouldn't change my opinion on how much he is worth. The opponent tonight had a lot to do with those stats and those stats play a big role when you average them into the other 4 games. David Lee is a good, solid player who can score off put backs and grab you rebounds but he has no post game, a weak outside shot, and 0 defense. That is not worth $10 million. Reggie Evans is shorter and does the same thing and plays defense and how much does he get?
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11/29/2008  10:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:

5 games since the trade

David Lee avg 20.1 14.6 rebounds 57% shooting--that is maximum contract type production

Too bad maximum contracts aren't give from 5 games of production. Oh wait, they are. Jerome James got the max MLE for Isiah for a playoff series.

He wont get maximum but there will be a team who offers him 60mm ---it's going to be his fair market value comp. Were going to have to be smart and buckle down and sign him.

Maybe we can use our draft pick next year to get rid of Curry so we can put Lee in his salary slot.

if we can somehow dump Curry & Fishlips & keep D Lee, that would be ideal... we really need to get Curry playing again so he can be traded... but if we can get a high lottery pick for D Lee i have a hard time thinking anyone here would have a problem with it
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11/29/2008  10:32 PM
Just think if we had biedrins to be a great defender on the knicks. Bottom line is biedrins sucks in defense and the warriors are awful
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11/29/2008  10:33 PM
oohah, 21 / 10 / 5 for Jamal on a night when he was struggling tremendously w/his shot... i agree he had an off night shooting wise but to lay the blame on his shoulders for the Warriors losing this game is pretty ridiculous.
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11/29/2008  10:42 PM
man, those warriors are terrible... i actually feel bad for jamal
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11/29/2008  11:02 PM
The whole team changed. The team was based around Baron Davis Monta Ellis and Stephon Jackson and look at the mess they have out there. They base their team too much on smaller players. I can't believe how badly they play defense. The coach should let them play 48 minutes of zone and pack it in just to keep some sort of semblance to it.. I thought our frontcourt looked like a freeway to the basket--their's looks like the Indianapolis 500
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11/29/2008  11:31 PM
Posted by TMS:


ur the one talking about the so-called "Crawford effect" here... who's the one exaggerating things to absurdum?

Crawford's presence makes offense worse, and makes defenses even worser. that is not an exaggeration, it is an observation.
oohah, 21 / 10 / 5 for Jamal on a night when he was struggling tremendously w/his shot... i agree he had an off night shooting wise but to lay the blame on his shoulders for the Warriors losing this game is pretty ridiculous.

Lay the blame on his shoulders solely? I never did that. I just mentioned the well-documented "Crawford Effect".

I am surprised you have not noticed how often Crawford puts up big numbers in a loss. That is pretty much the story of his career.

oohah



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11/29/2008  11:31 PM
I didn't see the game, but I find it interesting that the knicks get their mojo back the night Marbury is suspended.

Might be that the Warriors suck, might be that TT and AH are acclimating, but it might also be that Evil Eyebury isn't working his voodoo from the bench.
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11/29/2008  11:32 PM
Duhon was masterful tonight- Lee really should've had 40 (as D'Antoni said in the postgame). Harrington finally played more under control and had some great moments. They had a bad team across the aisle, but they played good basketball today.
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11/30/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by TMS:

Harrington looks like he's gonna have a big game tonite.

Posted by TMS:

i'm predicting Duhon w/20 assists & D Lee with 40 & 30... lol.

hey, i almost went 3 for 3 tonite. (k, i made the Duhon & Lee prediction at the half so i'll only take half credit for that one)
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11/30/2008  12:08 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:


ur the one talking about the so-called "Crawford effect" here... who's the one exaggerating things to absurdum?

Crawford's presence makes offense worse, and makes defenses even worser. that is not an exaggeration, it is an observation.
oohah, 21 / 10 / 5 for Jamal on a night when he was struggling tremendously w/his shot... i agree he had an off night shooting wise but to lay the blame on his shoulders for the Warriors losing this game is pretty ridiculous.

Lay the blame on his shoulders solely? I never did that. I just mentioned the well-documented "Crawford Effect".

I am surprised you have not noticed how often Crawford puts up big numbers in a loss. That is pretty much the story of his career.

oohah

Maybe he should tatoo -6 on his head...... that would get him more understanding???


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[Edited by - anji on 11-30-2008 12:09 AM]
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11/30/2008  12:16 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:


ur the one talking about the so-called "Crawford effect" here... who's the one exaggerating things to absurdum?

Crawford's presence makes offense worse, and makes defenses even worser. that is not an exaggeration, it is an observation.
oohah, 21 / 10 / 5 for Jamal on a night when he was struggling tremendously w/his shot... i agree he had an off night shooting wise but to lay the blame on his shoulders for the Warriors losing this game is pretty ridiculous.

Lay the blame on his shoulders solely? I never did that. I just mentioned the well-documented "Crawford Effect".

I am surprised you have not noticed how often Crawford puts up big numbers in a loss. That is pretty much the story of his career.

oohah

u know u're implying that teams lose whenever Jamal gets there... how is that not laying blame at his feet? obviously ur not saying there's just some mystical aura of losing that follows him around & it's no fault of his own.

Crawford only puts up #'s in a loss? that's news to me... i've seen him put up big numbers many times over the years & many of those times it led to a Knick win... i don't expect u to have a non-biased outlook on this issue... i already said i thought Jamal had a tough time offensively tonight... but they didn't lose this game cuz of him tonite, it was a general lack of defense all around from every one of the Warriors players... how many times did we see D Lee & Al Harrington left completely unguarded for Duhon to dish them the ball for easy buckets? ur telling me u can attribute that to this well documented "Crawford effect" you keep talking about here?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-29-2008 9:17 PM]
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11/30/2008  12:17 AM
I am so happy the Crawford debate will only be heard 2 times a year at most from now on. Thank you Lord!
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11/30/2008  12:24 AM
What a game for the Knicks. It's amazing the kind of offensive coach that MikeD really is. Imagine what this team would look like if he had some even better plays on this team, especially more 2way players. What games for Lee, Harrington and Duhon. Wow.
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