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11/22/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

And one more thing Oohah, I said this to holfresh a week or 2 ago. I DO wish Marbury would be bought out today. And I do wish it's done in a professional matter. However, if Walsh wants to hold his stance that he's not going to buyout the full contract so he can go to a team like Miami, then I support that. Let Marbury's skills rot on the bench, b/c that's Marbury's own fault for not letting go of a few extra million, which he can make up for in his next contract along with his Starburys.

The only way it hurts us is because we don't get a chance to sign Patrick Ewing Jr, which we can always grab him during the Summer, after a year in which he hopefully practiced hard on his shooting. I mean, yeah, he's a very talented player (Marbury) but the other guys can pick it up and I have faith that they will.

There's nothing much else I have to say. It's a redundant subject to me and it's boring for me to talk about because I'm sick of Marbury (And no, I don't hate him. I think he has a lot of good in him too.).

I agree with you for the most part. Either they should buy him out or Tim Thomas him, the way the Bulls did a few years ago.

The other option would have been to feature Marbury just like they did Crawford and Randolph so he has some value. I think that would have been the smartest of all.

Instead we have "As The Knicks turn".

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11/22/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:


The whole idea was to move on from all the turmoil of the past years...Our present Coach and GM don't seem adept at that...MDA jumped at the chance to throw Marbs under the bus...Had he said nothing, it would have been a non-issue...Marbs is a boob and everyone knows that...

I just puzzle at the coach and his actions...


I think Walsh and D'A stumbled out of the blocks when they didn't just banish Marb from the team when they figured he wasn;t in the plans. It doesn't make much since for him to sit on the bench in street clothes, visible to all and available to the press to make comments.

With that said, I just think D'A is a straight shooter. I dont think he will side-step any questions and will give you an honets assessment, for the most part. I wouldn;t say he jumped at a chance to throw Marb under the bus.

I disagree, MDA is cagey, he knows exactly what he is doing...He could have said nothing and still be a straight shooter...
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11/22/2008  11:03 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Allanfan20:

My feeling is that Marbury should be bought out, but if the Knicks refuse to do it for the full contract, then I can understand. I don't know what is going behind the scenes. Maybe D'Antoni is acting like a douchebag to Marbury and I definitely don't support that but like I said, what goes around, comes around. Marbury was involved in so much crap with the Knicks. He should have had a good disciplinary action taken against him when he was giving Lenny Wilkins crap, and he didn't. There's no way he should have been on the team when Larry Brown was fired, b/c he was just as much a guilty party for that season, but he was still given the keys to lead the franchise. He should have been disciplined for HARD for coming in out of shape during the two Isiah coached seasons, (B/c of his Starbury promotion) and he wasn't. His contract should have been freaking voided after looking bad in court (Get in the truck), embarrassing himself and the team with the way he acted after that (With those pictures and all) AND the team being proven guilty. It sure wasn't. He should have been suspended for that Phoenix incident (Including the part where he threatened Isiah to air his dirty laundry) and he sure wasn't. Then you don't even know what to think when he went against the teams wishes to get surgery right away, but I'll give him that benefit because you don't know how bad his injury was.

That's why I just don't care how Marbury gets treated, Oohah. I respect that you really don't appreciate how he's dealing with Marbury, but it's my view. Stephon got away with soooo much crap during his tenure here, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling that he still has so many supporters. It's mind boggling that he's on the team. I guess we can thank Isiah for that. That's why, however, I said "Whatever goes around, comes around." Maybe Marbury deserves to be treated like sheeot for not, or maybe he doesn't. Maybe D'Antoni has been unprofessional with him and maybe he hasn't, but with the rest of the team, I think he's been great, considering what's been handed to him. That's all I care about now. I just want to be proud of the players (And I am for once) and I'm even proud of how D'Antoni has coached this team, and no, I'm not a lover of him. I have my fair share of critiques, believe me.

That's why I just wish Marbury can just go. Therefore Berman will go and therefore EVERYONE can just focus on one thing and one thing only. Basketball.

Like I said I totally respect your position, and it makes sense. By the way, I am no supporter of Marbury, I am a supporter of no soap operas. This is D'Antoni and Walsh's soap opera. D'Antoni doesn't get it, and Walsh is pretending not to know about it.

oohah

I agree, and it's evident that there's going to be a soap opera with anyone, until Marbury is gone. Hopefully we wont have to wait till the end of the season, so we can bring PEJ back, but regardless, it needs to end. It's messed up that we are off to a good start and we're all focusing on this when we shouldn't. Just sent the guy home until you can work something out.

It's a bad distraction and you can tell it's taking it's toll on all parties involved, including the fans.
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11/22/2008  11:10 PM
Stephon got away with soooo much crap during his tenure here, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling that he still has so many supporters.

I think Marbury has a lot of supporters still because of the massive amount of charitable work he has done since coming to the NBA. Im guessing he has built a huge fan base off that and not off of his on the court play or nba character.

Marbury deserves the negatives because of his attitude and character. He also deserves the support for all the charitable work he has done.

Its a fair balance.
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11/22/2008  11:51 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:


The whole idea was to move on from all the turmoil of the past years...Our present Coach and GM don't seem adept at that...MDA jumped at the chance to throw Marbs under the bus...Had he said nothing, it would have been a non-issue...Marbs is a boob and everyone knows that...

I just puzzle at the coach and his actions...


I think Walsh and D'A stumbled out of the blocks when they didn't just banish Marb from the team when they figured he wasn;t in the plans. It doesn't make much since for him to sit on the bench in street clothes, visible to all and available to the press to make comments.

With that said, I just think D'A is a straight shooter. I dont think he will side-step any questions and will give you an honets assessment, for the most part. I wouldn;t say he jumped at a chance to throw Marb under the bus.

I disagree, MDA is cagey, he knows exactly what he is doing...He could have said nothing and still be a straight shooter...



I agree, the coach once again is putting pressure on the REM sleep GM to do something about the situation.

It's not being done in a professional manner and reflects negatively how things work at MSG.
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11/22/2008  11:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?

First of all, I am not outraged at anything. I am making an observation which I believe is objective and not tainted by my dislike for Marbury's well documented poor behavior. My main concern is the Knicks winning, and I think this Marbury situation is a distraction that could have and can be easily be avoided if handled tactfully, which it has not.

Second, I am not intimately familiar with the Walker situation as you apparently are.

Third, as far as I know, Walker was benched and he knew about it and was not led to believe any differently or jerked around in any way. But you tell me, as you seem to be much more familiar with the day-to-day news of the Grizzlies than I.

Fourth, I am sure Walker is unhappy with the situation, but as some other posters have shown you above, he seems to be handling it well publicly.

Does that answer your question(s) satisfactorily?

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I can live with that.... since you are not up to date with what is going on with walker, and I can uderstand why. but walker is basically being told teh same thing as marbury, the only thing is,the are not having to deal with the drama we have here... I just wondered how you felt about it, but sense you are not familiar, I will have to accept this answer..
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11/23/2008  12:02 AM
Like Lebron said today: "They always need something to write about." Thats the thing with Marbury. The whole media is making this look like the worst situation and the fact is teams often do what the Knicks are doing, only that its NY and its Starbury. Bah
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11/23/2008  12:18 AM
I like watching "As the Knicks Turn". It's a good soap. (I do think last season was more entertaining)
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11/23/2008  12:19 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I like watching "As the Knicks Turn". It's a good soap. (I do think last season was more entertaining)

New producer and writer will do that to ya
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11/23/2008  12:44 AM
I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.
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11/23/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...
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11/23/2008  1:51 AM
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11/23/2008  9:11 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]
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11/23/2008  9:19 AM
Guys, guys, guys..........Stephon Marbury is such a non factor at this point, I don't see anymore need to even talk about him. He's a loser, a time bomb and he's getting what he deserves and most of all 'he's still' causing trouble'.

LET IT GO!

JUST LET IT GO ONCE AND FOR ALL.
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11/23/2008  11:18 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]



exactly.. good post.. LOL
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11/23/2008  12:30 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...
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11/23/2008  1:31 PM
Posted by oohah:

Blue, those examples were great. You had to rewrite them with inaccuracies and add in all sorts of characterizations I did not make to even have a shot at a point.

I don't care for Marbury, but I can be objective. You cannot be objective when it comes to Marbury. I don't know if it is a personal thing you have with him, or if it is just the need to be right.

I'm done trying to argue with hate. You hate Marbury. You hate him when he is right, wrong, or indifferent. Nothing he can do or can be done to him can change that. He can't be right to you. He is always wrong even when he gives you the time on his watch. No point in arguing with that.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 10:02 PM]

Oohah, your examples were poor because 1) they were unnecessary, we can just talk about reality, 2) they completely dodged the fact that Steph shat on his clean slate as soon as training camp began by putting himself above the coach and team by dictating his terms.

You're still dodging that in this post. This whole business about my feelings for Steph are irrelevant, they're simply your ruse to avoid the issues.
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11/23/2008  2:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...


How is that not the actual truth? That is exactly the truth.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...


How is that not the actual truth? That is exactly the truth.

You weren't there...these are all second hand accounts and one sided...It is impossible for you to know the complete truth...IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!
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11/23/2008  3:32 PM
This post below is excellent! Great post! I couldn't agree more.
Posted by Uptown:



The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

I'll never trust this' team again.
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