Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nyk4ever:

This is nothing new but it's still pissing me off - Zach Randolph is making absolutely ZERO attempt to play ANY defense. What the ****.

Yeah but it's like every Knick got that memo too. Chandler is the only guy who looks like he gets offended by someone going to the basket on him. Randolph and Lee must be saving their fouls.

if ur gonna rag on Jamal for showing no effort on D u gotta get on everyone else's case for doing the same don't u? Zach & Lee are probably the worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA by far... it's a joke... why don't we have a shotblocker again?

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by GKFv2:

The only reason anyone cares about how Zach performs is for him to raise his trade value.

I tell you what, if he didn't have such a terrible contract, he could play PF for me anytime. It's the contract that's bad, not the player. The guy's just a rock....

Exciting game tonight, nice win... Washington had there chances, they just couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Also, as promising as McGee and Blatche are (and both had spurts tonight), if both we're a little more seasoned this game could've turned out differently. We have no answer for that type of size... Those guys, especially McGee, have good upside though, there's no question.

Intresting thing Kelly Tripuka said tonight mid-way through the telecast---sometimes guys are afraid to go to the line because they can't make their FTs. Thought that was interesting. That Shouldn't be the case with a guy like Craw though, he was the best FT shooter in the building tonight. I just think with Craw it's 2 things - (1) he just never learned what's a good shot and what's a bad shot, what shot to take at what point in the game and (2) I don't think he likes contact, think he shys away from it. He played (shot the ball) pretty well tonight overall, but his shot selection still leaves a heck of a lot to be desired. And you know what, THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. Talented player, but he'll never really take the next step...

Empty stats from Randolph. Empty stats. The man is a terrible defender and still takes stupid perimeter shots when he can just stick to staying in the low post. Not to mention he has the ability to become a black hole at any time. The contract is a big part of why he sould be traded but he is not the ideal power forward. At least not for a team building for a title.

Legit concerns (although I'd agrue that he gives effort on D, he just doesn't have the ups or the length like most bigs to really make a differnce, but the effort's there for the most part), but we don't win these last two games w/o him putting up big numbers. Bottom line. Again, he's got the terrible contract and as soon as something opens up that makes sense for us you gotta consider moving him, but the dude can really play ball IMO.

Got to love the Zach bandwagon. It was empty last year, now it's full.

Zach is a very good scorer and a very good rebounder. His passing is pretty good. He's not very good defensively. He is overpaid, but that's not his fault.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

mcgee is clumsy with no coordination, but he can play.... strange..

He is quite coordinated for a 7-1 player who's body is two full years away from being NBA ready. He is not strong enough in his base strength or his hands so it will give the impression at times at that height of clumsiness but think of some of the plays he made before running out of juice including that reverse catch alley oop. He dwarfed David Lee and he wouldve been a really smart pick by the Knicks for the future who could also help now because he can get up and down. He really was the conduit for the Wizards getting back in the game in the third when we started pulling away and put up a double-double. I mean what can you say there? He's 20 pounds of muscle away from being a player that will be very difficult to contend with.

yea. He will be the one guy in this league that Dwight howard will not be able to jump over. Go through? yea, but not go over..

I find it interesting that Jordan decided to go with McGee in the end rather than Thomas.

etan thomas is a scrub.. mcgee should get all of his minutes..

like Clyde says, u live by the 3, u die by the 3... more often than not we're gonna die by the 3 cuz our shooters aren't consistent

If Zach Randolph wasnt here and Darko Milicic was we would have no wins. No team in the NBA can win without a guy who can score in the post. Anyone can say what they want but Zach's play is just as important as anyone on the team. I don't know what this club will be moving forward but I do know you would have to replace a high level inside player with another one to sustain.


I think that with

6-11 Curry
6-10 Gallinari
6-11 Jefferies

At some point we should be able to improve or add to what we dont have in the middle OR move one like Curry for assets to improve.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I hope Gallinari is not a bust. I wonder why all of these so-called young college players are getting in and making nice contributions right away and our guy who is supposedly a Euro league all star is not good enough to play in a fast paced system? I really have to wonder if we couldve turned pick 6 into Randolph and Mcgee who went 14-18. Who knows but I think that our future wouldve been brighter.
The way things are set up with this no salary addition for 2010 this could also be a secondary turnover and are we going to get any compensation or pay for Nate and Lee? How the heck can we let Nate and Lee walk? Nate is going to get paid and so will Lee and it's going to go past 2010---so maybe they need to change plans here?

cause his back still hurts.

Originally posted by BRIGGS:

I hope Gallinari is not a bust. I wonder why all of these so-called young college players are getting in and making nice contributions right away and our guy who is supposedly a Euro league all star is not good enough to play in a fast paced system?

you were jocking Jerryd Bayless all summer league on his way to the summer league MVP, & now he's putting up a mindblowing 1.5 ppg & half an assist in just over 10 mpg.

another one of your "why didn't we take this guy instead" picks, Joe Alexander, is averaging a mindblowing 0.0 ppg / 1.5 rpg in 2 games where he averaged 5 minutes.

Anthony Randolph, who was on your infamous top 5 list all summer long right up to the draft & a guy you labelled as a "can't miss prospect", has played a grand total of 1 minute in the NBA & hasn't even taken a shot yet or grabbed a rebound.

another prospect u were very high on, DeAndre Jordan, has only played 3 minutes & scored 1 basket so far this season.

Eric Gordon, 2 points in 5 mpg this year.

Chris Douglas-Roberts, 1.3 pts / 1.7 assists in almost 12 mpg.


so now you're worrying if Gallo might be a bust, what about those guys? oh I forgot, u already proclaimed Gallo a bust before training camp even started.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2008 05:46 AM]

I Wanted Speights

so far

4.5 pts 4 rebs 47 shooting 1 assts 0.5stls and 1 blk in 12 minutes a game.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

Originally posted by BRIGGS:

I hope Gallinari is not a bust. I wonder why all of these so-called young college players are getting in and making nice contributions right away and our guy who is supposedly a Euro league all star is not good enough to play in a fast paced system?

you were jocking Jerryd Bayless all summer league on his way to the summer league MVP, & now he's putting up a mindblowing 1.5 ppg & half an assist in just over 10 mpg.

another one of your "why didn't we take this guy instead" picks, Joe Alexander, is averaging a mindblowing 0.0 ppg / 1.5 rpg in 2 games where he averaged 5 minutes.

Anthony Randolph, who was on your infamous top 5 list all summer long right up to the draft & a guy you labelled as a "can't miss prospect", has played a grand total of 1 minute in the NBA & hasn't even taken a shot yet or grabbed a rebound.

another prospect u were very high on, DeAndre Jordan, has only played 3 minutes & scored 1 basket so far this season.

Eric Gordon, 2 points in 5 mpg this year.

Chris Douglas-Roberts, 1.3 pts / 1.7 assists in almost 12 mpg.


so now you're worrying if Gallo might be a bust, what about those guys? oh I forgot, u already proclaimed Gallo a bust before training camp even started.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2008 05:46 AM]

This was a good draft but I wanted the Knicks to get Mcgee and Randolph--I think I made that pretty clear. Bayless was more of a safe pick that wouldve been good for this style of play.

briggs, i think what he's saying is that it's pretty dang early to judge anyone. i have no problem bringing gallinari along slowly after he missed training camp.