Posted by TMS:

i heard all the same things when we made the Zach trade... people telling me it was a no brainer, a deal u simply have to make... given the situation is a little different in that Wallace is not known as a cancer or as a selfish player, but the contract situation is similar in that he's got a 5 year deal that will be hard to move if things don't work out.

ZBO is our most valuable player right now. once you move curry out of his way and spread the floor a little, from a basketball standpoint it's a major improvement.

this would be sabotaging our cap plans a little, but realistically Curry is on the books for 2010 anyway. and the way our players are putting numbers in this system, they will be easier to trade. i think ZBO is movable. I think Jamal is movable. i think nate and lee are super movable.

i hope ur right cuz i would still love to see Zach moved for a shorter length deal, unless we can dump Curry & Jefferies obviously.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by TMS:

just like Zach for Francis & Frye was a no brainer... gotcha.

Zach for Francis & Frye looks pretty good to me right about now...check back with me in about a month.

oohah

ur right, i'd trade Zach for Francis & Frye right now if i could... it's a no brainer.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

i hope ur right cuz i would still love to see Zach moved for a shorter length deal, unless we can dump Curry & Jefferies obviously.

i think we might actually be able to move curry at some point. if he's not playing, he's just a big pile of potential for GMs to lick their chops at. if he is playing, they remember he sucks and dont want him.

jefferies is movable, too. especially if he looks good in D'Antoni's system.

how about Curry & Fishlips to CLE for Ben Wallace? he's basically a minor role player for them at this point & he's on the hook for $28 mil over this year & next... they'd be taking on an extra year of salary but they don't have the problem of having to be under the cap to re-sign Lebron that other teams do so that's less of a concern for them.

Posted by TMS:


how about Curry & Fishlips to CLE for Ben Wallace? he's basically a minor role player for them at this point & he's on the hook for $28 mil over this year & next... they'd be taking on an extra year of salary but they don't have the problem of having to be under the cap to re-sign Lebron that other teams do so that's less of a concern for them.

hmm... i dunno. i think Cleveland would fall over themselves to get Zach Randolph at this point since they are ocassionally playing Bron at the 4. I can't see them wanting Curry, he'd just clog the lane for Bron. I could see San Antonio or Charlotte or anyone who runs a more traditional PG-based set being interested in Curry, especially if they had a defensive PF to put next to Ed. I wonder if maybe Denver might be interested, even. i dunno.

Jefferies, depending on how well he does in the D'Antoni system could have value. hard to say how he'll look at center though.

Zach would be clogging the lane too, same difference no? yeah he can step out & hit the jumepr too but that's not where he plays his best game... Curry would be a backup for Big Z & Fishlips would fill some role minutes off the bench... basically it just gives them more depth in a 2 for 1 type deal... Wallace is pretty much done but at least he can still block a few shots, which we really need... i'd be willing to toss in that 2010 2nd round pick we got in the Balkman deal too if they wanted it... that would also open up a roster spot for Ewing's kid.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TMS:

Lebron or any top FA in 2010 is not coming here just because its NY to play 1 on 5. We need some chips in place. Wallace, Gallo and Chandler is a nice start.

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how about our lottery pick this year, Gallo & Chandler? is that gonna be that much different? if we land a top talent like Derozan, Jennings, Mullens, Thabeet, Griffin, Rubio, etc. u don't see that as being a nice core for a guy like Lebron to wanna play around? Gerald Wallace is pretty good but not worth giving up this season's chances of landing a top talent in the draft like that OR mucking up our cap situation beyond 2010... i think u guys are seriously gluttons for punishment at this point... that can be the only explanation.

How about the Lotto-pick, Wallace, Chandler and Gallo? I just think there are too many if's that need to fall into place for us to move forward. With or without Wallace, we are not going to be as bad as last years team. Each player you named we will be top 6. We had the 6th pick last year and as I said we will have a much better record this year. The odds are, we may miss out on all of those guys.

As I stated earlier, replacing Wallace for Currys contract saves us about 1.7 million in 2010. We still have Lee who we can attach to Q or Craw and move that contract out.

Let me ask you, what if we can't get under the cap in 2010 and we miss out on a top 6 pick in this up coming draft? Then what?

replacing Curry for Wallace only does 1 thing... brings us a few more wins this season... it does nothing to help us build for a championship, in fact it hurts us in that regard... we have no need for another SF on this team making a big contract unless his name is Lebron, just MO... ur looking for a quick fix solution to a problem that will take years to fix... same old mentality that's landed us in this predicament to begin with... i dunno what needs to happen for some of you guys to get the message that we need to start doing things a different way.

to answer ur question, there will be more than just 6 good players in this year's draft, just like there are in every draft... the point is u don't sacrifice ur longterm flexibility to go for a player like Wallace... u do it if there's a real legit franchise guy like KG or someone on that level, just like the Celtics did last year.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-09-2008 3:59 PM]

My idea of getting Wallace has nothing to do with a quick fix. I'm simply shuffling the deck for a better hand. Again, Curry and Wallace both have deals that run past 2010. Replacing Currys long deal for Wallace's long deal makes us better now, and in the future, but financially, it leaves us in the same space we are in now. Its not like we are moving an expiring for Wallace. If we dont pull the trigger on Curry for wallace, then we are stuck with a useless/unmovable player who will be sitting on our cap while we try to make a play for Lebron.

A trade of Curry for Wallace just makes it imperative that we move Lee and Q/Craw's contract out.