Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah, Marbury did not play, and our guys were flat out exhausted in that 4th quarter and it nearly cost us the game. I'm not so sure we can prosper with a 9 man rotation. We played 10 and after the game Mike said that's too many and he'd cut it down to 8 or 9.

If you're going to do that then be prepared for numerous teams steamrolling us in the 4th Q as a broken down Miami team went for 40 on us in the 4th.

Is Marbury the answer? Of course not but he should play before Mardy who is a disaster - OR - the guy should be waived.

We don't need to start another fiasco here and while Marbury HAS been the good soldier he hasn't been rewarded for doing so and that means he will eventually go off about it - and rightfully so.

Part ways before it gets to that. Enough with Walsh and his stupid I don't do buyouts crap. 22M of Marbury gets you 22M of garbage that's signed until 2013. Just bite the bullet and waive the guy OR play him.

Cosmic, I disagree fully. First off, being fatigued in the first pre season game should hardly be an issue. These guys should be conditioned enough, in my mind, to be playing 48 minutes a game. It's called being a professional athlete. There's no excuse for the defensive letdown at the end of the game.

Secondly, if anything, Mardy Collins needed to play more ti disrupt DeQuean Cook and/or Mario Chalmers from their offensive rhythm. They are NBA newbies and they were torching us. There's no way Marbury would have stopped them. Collins IS the good enough defensive player to do it.

Also, I do agree we had a couple of stupid offensive possesions at the end, but only a couple. Plus Jamal missed some free throws, just as Steph would have missed free throws.

I said it once and I'm saying it again. Steph is out of the circle!

Marbury is an able body. He's worlds better than Mardy Collins. Our team fell apart due to exhaustion and could have used an able body out there.

So you either play Marbury or you waive him. This benching crap will lead to nothing but problems for us. That's one thing we can all count on.

He is not Anthony Roberson who will get the minutes given to him and like it so don't treat him like that.

Waive him.

Posted by misterearl:

DarkKnicks - not so fast mmy passionate orange and blue brothaman. Matbury was unanimously voted off the island last season at game 5 and D'Antoni understood that negative residue would never enhance team-building moving forward.

What exactly about Marbury's individual career experience translates into your theory that he is "better" for this new Knicks Edition?

Can you please point out one example of a team that Marbury has made "better" in terms of cohesiveness?

This is not about stats. It's about comraderie and togetherness.

Posted by misterearl:

Part 2

As Howard Beck of the NYT astutely illustrates, the fact Marbury does not have an agent, and represents himslf make any negotiation (or assessment) problemmatic.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate"

Stalemate or Checkmate?

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Posted by misterearl:

DarkKnicks - not so fast mmy passionate orange and blue brothaman. Matbury was unanimously voted off the island last season at game 5 and D'Antoni understood that negative residue would never enhance team-building moving forward.

What exactly about Marbury's individual career experience translates into your theory that he is "better" for this new Knicks Edition?

Can you please point out one example of a team that Marbury has made "better" in terms of cohesiveness?

This is not about stats. It's about comraderie and togetherness.

We would not have reached the playoffs in 2004 without Marbury.
Phoenix would have not reach the playoffs in 2003 without Marbury.
The Wolves would have not reach the playoffs without Marbury.
And to make my point clearer, the Nets would not have won 26 games without Marbury. They would have won like 10.
You can check our record with and without Marbury to see what I mean.

It does not mean Marbury is awesome, because my only point is:
The Nets became a force in the East not because Marbury was not there, but because Kidd went there.
Phoenix did not win 60 games just because he was traded, but because Nash was the one coming, who is the better player.

Its not about stats. I really feel Marbury makes our TERRIBLE team better, because he is easily the best PG we have. Thats it, my friend. We are sooo bad that I cant accept Marbury is not even on the court because D'Antoni is supposedly looking for the future, when the future is called Duhon, Collins or Nate.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 01-11-2008 11:53 PM]