Posted by Finestrg:

Impressive win. In control the whole game right from Wilson's layup.

Unbelievable how ineffective Crawford is when he's not the focus. The most glaring head-scratcher this whole pre-season, and everything's been so positive... I don't see how this situation gets better unless you just scrap the brand new team concept of moving the ball and making the extra quick pass and just give the ball to Jamal and let him create for himself and others. Problem is that only benefits Jamal and not the team - that's a huge regression for the entire team. Big problem we have right now. Craw's supposed to be one of our best players and he's been invisible. D'Antoni's biggest challenge right now is to find a way to get Craw involved w/o letting him dominate the ball...



[Edited by - finestrg on 10-20-2008 10:17 PM]

I am of the same opinion. D'Antoni should be careful or he'll lose Crawford fast just like Brown was losing him at the start of the 05-06 season. For all the talk, Marbury can handle negative press, Crawford is more sensitive. I think he should draw up some isolation (And 1 and a trick pony) plays for Crawford to keep his interest which I notice has been getting away from him.

nyk, i like ur Clips idea for the Knicks but not sure how it makes sense for the Clippers... like i said they have a young SG for their future & a solid vet in place in Mobley... they don't need to make that trade.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Finestrg:

Impressive win. In control the whole game right from Wilson's layup.

Unbelievable how ineffective Crawford is when he's not the focus. The most glaring head-scratcher this whole pre-season, and everything's been so positive... I don't see how this situation gets better unless you just scrap the brand new team concept of moving the ball and making the extra quick pass and just give the ball to Jamal and let him create for himself and others. Problem is that only benefits Jamal and not the team - that's a huge regression for the entire team. Big problem we have right now. Craw's supposed to be one of our best players and he's been invisible. D'Antoni's biggest challenge right now is to find a way to get Craw involved w/o letting him dominate the ball...



[Edited by - finestrg on 10-20-2008 10:17 PM]

I am of the same opinion. D'Antoni should be careful or he'll lose Crawford fast just like Brown was losing him at the start of the 05-06 season. For all the talk, Marbury can handle negative press, Crawford is more sensitive. I think he should draw up some isolation (And 1 and a trick pony) plays for Crawford to keep his interest which I notice has been getting away from him.

Right, or run him off some screens....something. Only problem is I don't think there are too many set plays in this system for anybody. I can't believe Craw's not fitting right in to what's going on here.

If Gallo is not good Walsh made a big mistake passing on Lopez who is a position player that brings exactly what we needed, toughness and defense. Gordon and Bayless would have also fit a need. With Chandler in the fold gallo's skills are a bit redundant. Would have been nice to put the following starting unit out there

Lopez
Lee
Chandler
Lebron
Nate

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Fine(st)

Fugazy expires after next year and Skinner is an expiring this year.

OK, so better than Craw's deal..... Yeah, I'd do both of those trades. How's DeAndre Jordan been playing? Has he been showing anything??

I honestly haven't seen anything of Jordan this preseason, but he has a great amount of athleticiscm and is DEFINITELY a shot-blocker from the Center position, which is something this team sorely needs. He only played 1 year at Texas AM so he's raw, but he did show alot of promise last year.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Finestrg:

Impressive win. In control the whole game right from Wilson's layup.

Unbelievable how ineffective Crawford is when he's not the focus. The most glaring head-scratcher this whole pre-season, and everything's been so positive... I don't see how this situation gets better unless you just scrap the brand new team concept of moving the ball and making the extra quick pass and just give the ball to Jamal and let him create for himself and others. Problem is that only benefits Jamal and not the team - that's a huge regression for the entire team. Big problem we have right now. Craw's supposed to be one of our best players and he's been invisible. D'Antoni's biggest challenge right now is to find a way to get Craw involved w/o letting him dominate the ball...



[Edited by - finestrg on 10-20-2008 10:17 PM]

I am of the same opinion. D'Antoni should be careful or he'll lose Crawford fast just like Brown was losing him at the start of the 05-06 season. For all the talk, Marbury can handle negative press, Crawford is more sensitive. I think he should draw up some isolation (And 1 and a trick pony) plays for Crawford to keep his interest which I notice has been getting away from him.

one thing about Craw - by the end of the season, it seemed he was the one who got the most out of having Brown around. of course, then he had Isiah the next two years after that.

As Blue pointed out, I am not sure he got the most out of it. It just seemed that Brown wouldn't allow him to do too much of anything the he liked. To go against your argument as well, the Knicks actually had their best games when Crawford wasn't even in the lineup. The other problem is that both Crawfords produce two of the worst seasons in Knick history. Marbury wasn't even the factor last season and Crawford was given free range. The funny part is that the best Knick wins I seen in the last three years occured when Crawford was injured at the end of the 06-07 season. They played tough against the better teams.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Fine(st)

Fugazy expires after next year and Skinner is an expiring this year.

OK, so better than Craw's deal..... Yeah, I'd do both of those trades. How's DeAndre Jordan been playing? Has he been showing anything??

I honestly haven't seen anything of Jordan this preseason, but he has a great amount of athleticiscm and is DEFINITELY a shot-blocker from the Center position, which is something this team sorely needs. He only played 1 year at Texas AM so he's raw, but he did show alot of promise last year.

Jordan had a nasty dunk over Mihm. Not too much from him this preseason except that Laker game. He will get more time with Camby being out for the rest of preseason.

Posted by Pharzeone:


Jordan had a nasty dunk over Mihm. Not too much from him this preseason except that Laker game. He will get more time with Camby being out for the rest of preseason.

You know what, now that mention it, I remember seeing that dunk. Only reason I remember is because I thought Jordan was celebrating WAY to much after it.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

I also wonder if the Hornets would do:
Crawford for Mike James/Hilton Armstrong, both of whom expire after next year. I think Armstrong could fit nicely with us, especially defensively.

not interested in that package unless they included a pick... Armstrong's not been able to find much of a role yet in 2 years at the NBA level... i dunno if he'll ever be much more than a minor role player... he's still young so it's way too early to judge but i'd much much rather go after Jordan only cuz he's got nice size at 7' 255... i'm not giving up my top scorer from last season unless i get a legitimate 1st round caliber talent out of the deal.

I think we could get them to put 1st rounder in it for sure. There's not doubt that the package isn't ideal, but these are the types of deals we might be faced with Jamal.

Posted by MS:

If Gallo is not good Walsh made a big mistake passing on Lopez who is a position player that brings exactly what we needed, toughness and defense. Gordon and Bayless would have also fit a need. With Chandler in the fold gallo's skills are a bit redundant. Would have been nice to put the following starting unit out there

Lopez
Lee
Chandler
Lebron
Nate

When you consider that D'Antoni wants to play Chandler big minutes at the 4, drafting Gallo isn't so redundant if he plays the 3. Gallo and Chandler together really opens the floor.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

That clip was awesome TMS. I definitely want Jordan myself, I'd love to do a deal with the Clippers to get him.

Marbs, Mardy & a 2nd round pick for Mobley, Fugazy & Jordan... gives LA cap space along w/a stopgap PG... gives the Knicks a promising young C to groom for the future.

or we can try offering up Curry for Fugazy & Jordan, since Camby would be the ideal complement to Curry in the frontcourt, but they do have Kaman so not sure they'd make that deal to get a high priced backup C w/a long term contract & conditioning issues.

The first deal makes sense, I don't think the Curry one makes sense for the Clips though, because as you said, they have Kaman.