Posted by Bonn1997:

You don't control Congress unless you have 60 votes. No party controls Congress now.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-03-2008 5:47 PM]

Except in the case of a filibuster-it takes 51 votes in the Senate and a majority of the House

Posted by TheSage:

Posted by Bonn1997:

You don't control Congress unless you have 60 votes. No party controls Congress now.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-03-2008 5:47 PM]

Except in the case of a filibuster-it takes 51 votes in the Senate and a majority of the House

But any bill can be fillibustered. So on anything important, it takes 60 votes. It's only the no-brainer bills that don't get fillibustered.

I'll tell you what you won't hear from the Republican candidates......the success of the Republican administration in governing the country the past 7 years! or Our successful foreign relations policies.

Okay, so what I caught of Huckabee's speech was pretty much filled with a list of unsubstantiated claims, as well as illogical and sophomoric statements that seem to show how disconnected their party (well, at least he) is from current realities.

1) He went on to say "I'm tied about hearing that Sarah Palin doesn't have experience! She got more votes in her town than Biden did when he ran for President!"

Huh? How does that fit logically at all? How does comparing the votes she got for mayor of her town versus Biden for President show her to be more "experienced." Keith Oberman on MSNBC corrected his claim by saying Biden got tens of thousands of votes, unless he means in her town, or something, but again, what does that have to do with "experience?"

2) Oberman also pointed a factual error about the claim that Abraham Lincoln started the Republican party.

3) Huckabee says that it's false to think all Republicans are from rich backgrounds, by trying to show his "blue collar" roots. Sorry dude, I dunno where this idea comes from but I've never heard that statement uttered before. It is widely known that the Republicans get plenty of support from working class (mostly white) folks in rural communities. But don't try to sell us on your "empathy" for the poor, when you also make statements to support this that are completely empty, like that non-Republicans are waiting for government handouts. More evidence of how the Reagan view of the reality of of the poor that somehow still exists for some is just complete illusion.

4) Then his "grand finale" was a big example of how out of touch he is with the realities of educational and child psychology literature, and borderline nuts, where he used an example of some teacher who took her students desks away before the first day of school, and wouldn't give it to them until she got the answer she "wanted." They asked her if it was to get good grades or to behave, and she said no. She was covered on the news (which sounded like he thought this was an overreaction), and then she eventually (I am sorry but I am still at a loss over this entire thing) had some military veterans bring them in and then said it was that they had to understand that they have the desks because they "gave" the desks to the children.

???

Sorry, but anyone who knows anything about child psychology and teaching understands that this is totally inappropriate on many levels. When children are "punished," of which neglecting them of something basic as a desk for school on the first day would qualify, it has to fit the behavior. What behavior, exactly, did these children do to justify this "lesson." Then on another level, as an administrator or parent, I would be infuriated over the need to "teach" my children about the importance of the military in this regard, as if they are the only reason we have "freedom." If she knew anything about the history and politics of the U.S. then she would also use the same trick to demonstrate other factors that contribute to the U.S. having a democracy, yet I somehow doubt that.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-03-2008 10:18 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-03-2008 10:49 PM]

sarah palin is a straight up GANGSTA...

"if we pull out of iraq, then who wins? al quaeda? osama? " -rudy


what an id!ot

That was a well-scripted speech but she is miles away from playing the part of a top executive of the United States. Who wouldnt sht their pants if they won and McCain croaked? A couple of hilarious parts were when the beer-drinking Dad flung the little baby into the arms of his 5 year old daughter who then proceeded to drown him in her saliva on National TV. Then I noticed they actually dragged along the dude who knocked up the daughter{im sure he felt comfortable]and on stage it looked more like Dog the bounty Hunter's family sans the cans of mase.

all she did was typical republican BS...spread fear. on top of that they are spewing incorrect info that Obama's plan is to institute "massive" tax increases. Yet if you heard Obama's plan you'd know that 95% of Americans would receive tax cuts and small business as well. then it was said Democrats want to increase the size of government. Yet Obama's plan calls for eliminating wasteful programs and decreasing government.


all i learned from her is that she is a hockey mom and her son is going to iraq.

And Obama with no military record is going to chase down and kill Bin Laden, as if the republicans want him to be free, typical garbage, typical parallels trying to say that McCain is the same man as Bush.

Obama doesn't have a plan he is ever changing trying to appease the masses and his tax plans are downright scary for the economy. If all you found out about the women is that she is a hockey mom, that's just a joke, she was poised, intelligent, and not afraid to go on the offensive. Obama's plan? Give me a break, I'm sure you have no idea what it is.

Posted by MS:

And Obama with no military record is going to chase down and kill Bin Laden, as if the republicans want him to be free, typical garbage, typical parallels trying to say that McCain is the same man as Bush.

republicans arent the only people that can protect this country, in fact its more dangerous now because of republicans.

Obama doesn't have a plan he is ever changing trying to appease the masses and his tax plans are downright scary for the economy. If all you found out about the women is that she is a hockey mom, that's just a joke, she was poised, intelligent, and not afraid to go on the offensive. Obama's plan? Give me a break, I'm sure you have no idea what it is.

can't wait for the debates she along with her counterpart will be crushed.

not to mention about lying about obama raising taxes for everybody, obama never going across party lines, obama never penning legislation, etc. can you just lie like that? i guess you can after the example set by cheney & W.

i was laughing out loud when the crowd was chanting "drill baby drill" and the revelation that palin doesn't believe in global warming. hahah, embarassing!