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martin
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7/23/2008  4:14 PM
Dirk was a bust his first year in the league.
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7/23/2008  4:14 PM
i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?
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7/23/2008  4:15 PM
Posted by martin:

Dirk was a bust his first year in the league.

not everyone can be an andrea bargnani...those are lofty standards...
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7/23/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?

Of course he was, Isiah didn't represent the community

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7/23/2008  4:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?

Do you mean that was Gallinari "only" picked because of who the coach is? Or do you mean that it played a part in why he was picked?
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7/23/2008  4:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?

do you mean to ask if the GM picked a player who matched the coaches coaching style?
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Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by djsunyc:

i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?

Do you mean that was Gallinari "only" picked because of who the coach is? Or do you mean that it played a part in why he was picked?

it's cuz he was Italian, remember?
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7/23/2008  4:55 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

i do have a question tho, was gallinari picked b/c of who the coach is?

do you mean to ask if the GM picked a player who matched the coaches coaching style?

yes.
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7/23/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:

So if the knicks plays over their heads in D'antoni's new system and THE GALL is brought along in the rotation, shouldn't he produce being #6 overall with the minutes given to him? Remember he played against and with grown men in a league many say is better than the Plantaion league.

It depends on your definition of project. If it is the stereotypical definition in which a guy is worked on for 5 years only to be a role player, then no that is not what you want from your 6 pick. But if your definition of a project is that the guy will be a contributor in 2-3 years but just isn't ready right now, than who cares. Your team stinks and won't be good for 2-3 years anyway. This argument about it being bad because he is a project is not a very good one. The injury concern seemed like a valid one, but complaining that a 6 pick can't contribute right now isn't one. The Andrew Bynum example above was a good one

Besides the superstar talent in the league, PG's tend to take 3 years before they begin to develop. Does this mean you never take a PG at pick number 6 becuase they are projects?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 23-07-2008 12:25 PM]

Nobody would have picked Andrew Bynum at 6, so are you telling me the gall is projected to be better than Andrew bynum?

No, not at all. For the 80th time I'm not projecting Gallo to be anything. I've seen him play for 22 minutes and have no idea how he will be. You and I have been discussing this for a couple days now and you should have at least gotten that point.

Again, just trying to understand what your definition of a project is. If there is a guy there that is 19 and you think by 22 or 23 he will pass all the other guys by do you pass on him because that won't happen for 3 years? What is the logic?

The question again comes down to, was Gallinari a good pick? There are several ways to answer that

1.) Talent-Is he talented enough to be the 6th pick? Can't tell haven't seen him play. Noone has seen him play. The 20+ we saw, we saw bad and good. Talent is definitely there. Can he put it together that remains to be seen

2.) Is he injury proned? This is your strongest argument. It's a possibility going by track record.

3.) He's a project. That's ridiculous. Teams that are 3 years away should draft on upside and not worry about if that upside manifests itself in 1 year or 3. AS long as it manifests itself for us, that's all that matters

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8/22/2008  6:35 AM
I know I have been down on this kid since before the draft - but you have to admit that he's injury prone as one source mentioned at the summer league. "The Gall" played closer to a college schedule in europe and he didnt play one game all summer until the 3/4 of a summer-league game in which he got hurt.

Now for a 19 yr old kid to miss a month with a sore back after playing 3/4 of one game is clearly not a good sign.


Either the injury is a lot worse than first reported or this kid is an soft as bluecheese,either way it's not looking good.
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8/22/2008  6:55 AM
Either the injury is a lot worse than first reported or this kid is an soft as bluecheese,either way it's not looking good.
Or the team is being cautious. You must have known there was this third option. I'm not the first to mention it. None of us know which option is the most accurate, and there's really no point in speculating.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-22-2008 06:55 AM]
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8/22/2008  7:00 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Either the injury is a lot worse than first reported or this kid is an soft as bluecheese,either way it's not looking good.
Or the team is being cautious. You must have known there was this third option. I'm not the first to mention it. None of us know which option is the most accurate, and there's really no point in speculating.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-22-2008 06:55 AM]

Wrong. You pick the one that matches your agenda
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8/22/2008  7:04 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Either the injury is a lot worse than first reported or this kid is an soft as bluecheese,either way it's not looking good.
Or the team is being cautious. You must have known there was this third option. I'm not the first to mention it. None of us know which option is the most accurate, and there's really no point in speculating.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-22-2008 06:55 AM]

Wrong. You pick the one that matches your agenda

HA! It's obvious he was doing that. That's probably why I reacted harshly.
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8/22/2008  10:21 AM
Anytime your top pick goes down with an injury it's a concern. Doesn't matter if it's a back or knee or ankle or shoulder. It's all a concern and can all become chronic. No fan wants to see this. But unfortunately you have to wait and see. The guy is not a bust and he's not a star. He is simply a guy that appears to have some talent and got hurt in preseason. Can't read much more into it.

Maybe Playa doesn't understand that we get it by now, HE DIDN'T LIKE THE PICK. He doesn't need to post about it anymore. We get it. It's more obvious than Briggs saying he wanted Randolph.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 22-08-2008 10:23 AM]
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