Posted by joec32033:

Posted by TMS:

Alan Hahn says....

let's not overreact to anything until we hear it from Walsh's mouth or Dunleavy's.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

You guys must be drunk of the spiked Koolaid. You would accept a second rounder for Zach Randolph. Are you kidding me? I don't think any GM would do that deal. Zach is a talented young player that needs guidance. Playing for Zeke's crazy ass did not help. Our team last year was unruly. I wouldn't trade Curry for a secound rounder and Zach is ten times better than him. Why do you guys hate Randolph so much? Did he eat your cheetos?

How much did Portland get from us? Lets not go crazy here---they received Steve Francis and a player who was not worthy of being picked so high--they never used him in a role other than back up. So they traded Zach randolph for cap sapce Steve Francis[who they bought out] and a back up 4. If there was a better deal[and this was on draft night after Zach went 23-9 that year---of course needs can change but lets be real

Steve Francis was for cap relief. Channing Frye is an interesting project that happened to play well for them last year. Lets not get it twisted.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Frye was a lottery pick and though he might not become a star he is a valuable role player. Cap relief is cap relief. The Clippers are known to be a cheap organization and this is another example. Why trade Zach Randolph for a second round pick? The chances that this second rounder becomes Gilbert Arenas or Michael Redd are slim to none. You don't trade talent for nothing. I want atleast a first round pick. Sure Zach is not welcome here but let's not get raped. What guy of Zach level has been traded for a second rounder? Reminds of the little kid in school that got robbed for his lunch money and said atleast I idnt get beat up. F that I'm keeping my money and fighting back lol.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Frye was a lottery pick and though he might not become a star he is a valuable role player. Cap relief is cap relief. The Clippers are known to be a cheap organization and this is another example. Why trade Zach Randolph for a second round pick? The chances that this second rounder becomes Gilbert Arenas or Michael Redd are slim to none. You don't trade talent for nothing. I want atleast a first round pick. Sure Zach is not welcome here but let's not get raped. What guy of Zach level has been traded for a second rounder? Reminds of the little kid in school that got robbed for his lunch money and said atleast I idnt get beat up. F that I'm keeping my money and fighting back lol.

knicks are better off trading curry. zach is still 10X better.

Zach might be better, but he's selfish, shoots a much worse % than Curry due to head-scratching shots, and more importantly, he's apart of the cligue that needs to be removed in order to improve the climate/culture of the team. How could we forget the numerous incidents he got into with Nate on the bench (and on the court).

Posted by newyorknewyork:

I got a question

Say we did the Randolph for a 2nd rd pick trade. Would we have gotten a 17mil trade exception or something to that nature?

Would we have then been able to make a trade taking back a players salary a draft pick or something?

Example make a trade eating Cardinal, or A.Walker, or Kenny Thomas, or Abdul Rahims contracts using the trade exception in order to acuire picks?

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

I got a question

Say we did the Randolph for a 2nd rd pick trade. Would we have gotten a 17mil trade exception or something to that nature?

Would we have then been able to make a trade taking back a players salary a draft pick or something?

Example make a trade eating Cardinal, or A.Walker, or Kenny Thomas, or Abdul Rahims contracts using the trade exception in order to acuire picks?

if the knicks traded zach to the clips and received no players in return, then yes, they get a huge trade exemption.

the trade exemption can only be used on 1 player and can't be combined with another player...but is still a very valuable asset to have - essentially, it's an expiring deal that doesn't count towards the cap.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-13-2008 12:33 PM]

Could we use the trade exception to take a player like Rahim off of the Kings hands for a pick through trade though?

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TMS:

Alan Hahn says....

let's not overreact to anything until we hear it from Walsh's mouth or Dunleavy's.

Agreed, this is all speculation right now. Alan Hahn's sources....S.I believes.....but no one knows for sure. The Clips are probably just checking thier options right now. Honestly, I cant see the Clips making a concrete offer with Okafor and Smith still on the market.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

I got a question

Say we did the Randolph for a 2nd rd pick trade. Would we have gotten a 17mil trade exception or something to that nature?

Would we have then been able to make a trade taking back a players salary a draft pick or something?

Example make a trade eating Cardinal, or A.Walker, or Kenny Thomas, or Abdul Rahims contracts using the trade exception in order to acuire picks?

if the knicks traded zach to the clips and received no players in return, then yes, they get a huge trade exemption.

the trade exemption can only be used on 1 player and can't be combined with another player...but is still a very valuable asset to have - essentially, it's an expiring deal that doesn't count towards the cap.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-13-2008 12:33 PM]

Could we use the trade exception to take a player like Rahim off of the Kings hands for a pick through trade though?

yes, you can trade the exception just like an expiring contract (only condition is that the exception must be used alone and can't be combined with another player).

so yes, this would be a creative way to get a first round pick for zach.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Wasn't this explanation given in the reported Philly deal with Zach?

When the trade exception was brought up in the Philly deal. I didn't know the Knicks earned the exception because they took back less salary in the deal. I thought Philly just had a trade exception that they were willing to offer the knicks in the deal or something like that. I didn't understand the rules of the trade exception until I read someone say something to this nature on realgm.

BTW why the change in name Trueblue? Don't tell me you let the guys get to you to the point that you needed to change your screen name. You don't have to prove anything to anybody man nor do you have to care what anyone thinks bout you bro'ham.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Frye was a lottery pick and though he might not become a star he is a valuable role player. Cap relief is cap relief. The Clippers are known to be a cheap organization and this is another example. Why trade Zach Randolph for a second round pick? The chances that this second rounder becomes Gilbert Arenas or Michael Redd are slim to none. You don't trade talent for nothing. I want atleast a first round pick. Sure Zach is not welcome here but let's not get raped. What guy of Zach level has been traded for a second rounder? Reminds of the little kid in school that got robbed for his lunch money and said atleast I idnt get beat up. F that I'm keeping my money and fighting back lol.

knicks are better off trading curry. zach is still 10X better.

Zach might be better, but he's selfish, shoots a much worse % than Curry due to head-scratching shots, and more importantly, he's apart of the cligue that needs to be removed in order to improve the climate/culture of the team. How could we forget the numerous incidents he got into with Nate on the bench (and on the court).

curry is perennially out of shape and can't pass the ball. he makes no effort on defense and if he doesn't get the ball in the post, he's absolutely useless.

zach may be a douche but he likes to play basetball and he goes after rebounds. with zach, there's ALOT more to work with. curry shows no desire for the game and is totally fugazy.