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Pharzeone
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7/20/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Anyone get the impression that Donnie is second guessing Roberson?
When asked who's impressed him, Donnie replied Chandler and Gallinari in his limited minutes, and Roberson a little, at least in the first 2 games.

Yes. He mentioned his first two games. Mike D' alluded to the same thing. He hasn't shot well since the contract talks came out. He totally left out Collins.
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7/20/2008  4:43 PM
Nate and Mike D seating together talking SL action. Good questions by Mike and Clyde about Marbury, the roster and the front office. Walsh is happy with the front office. Sounds like no GM will be hired and the "front office" will remain the same.
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7/20/2008  4:51 PM
HA! Nate gets a summer league "retirement" ceremony.

That just made my day.
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7/20/2008  4:52 PM
LOL, Nate Robinson gets his uniform retired at Summer League. Don't play there anymore Nate, get the message. First and probably only retired Summer League jersey.
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7/20/2008  4:57 PM
Oh nice to see. Chandler has a sore back is allowed to play in the 2nd half. So if Gallinari really wanted to play the other games then would he have been allowed to play too?
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7/20/2008  4:59 PM
My take is Chandler's back was not serious at all. The team is just being overly cautious, as they should be when it comes to summer league.

They commented during one of the games that Gallinari only had 3 days off all year between games and practices. They probably want to get him some rest time before playing for the Italian National team.
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7/20/2008  5:09 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

My take is Chandler's back was not serious at all. The team is just being overly cautious, as they should be when it comes to summer league.

They commented during one of the games that Gallinari only had 3 days off all year between games and practices. They probably want to get him some rest time before playing for the Italian National team.

Not my take. They stated that they informed that Chandler would be sitting out the 2nd half. Mike Crispino then saw Chandler on the court and guess well he probably going to play it out, he is a competitor. Sore backs are sore backs. I know they may pain differs. Also, I find that 3 days off all year stuff to be crap. So other players like Holland, Chandler and Collins were slipping on wine coolers while Gallinari has been working? If Chandler can easily say I going to play, I mean couldn't Gallinari. He basically had the week off. Very confusing.
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7/20/2008  5:17 PM
Key difference is that Nilo is still going to be playing with the Italian team. While I'm sure Chandler will be working out non stop, he doesn't have anything of that intensity between now and training camp. I think they're doing the right thing by sitting Nilo.

Get to hear from Donnie, Nate, and Jerry Colangelo today. Not bad commentary for summer league.
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7/20/2008  5:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by MaTT4281:

My take is Chandler's back was not serious at all. The team is just being overly cautious, as they should be when it comes to summer league.

They commented during one of the games that Gallinari only had 3 days off all year between games and practices. They probably want to get him some rest time before playing for the Italian National team.

Not my take. They stated that they informed that Chandler would be sitting out the 2nd half. Mike Crispino then saw Chandler on the court and guess well he probably going to play it out, he is a competitor. Sore backs are sore backs. I know they may pain differs. Also, I find that 3 days off all year stuff to be crap. So other players like Holland, Chandler and Collins were slipping on wine coolers while Gallinari has been working? If Chandler can easily say I going to play, I mean couldn't Gallinari. He basically had the week off. Very confusing.
Where did you get Gallinari's schedule for the whole year and can you post it?
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7/20/2008  5:23 PM

Not my take. They stated that they informed that Chandler would be sitting out the 2nd half. Mike Crispino then saw Chandler on the court and guess well he probably going to play it out, he is a competitor. Sore backs are sore backs. I know they may pain differs. Also, I find that 3 days off all year stuff to be crap. So other players like Holland, Chandler and Collins were slipping on wine coolers while Gallinari has been working? If Chandler can easily say I going to play, I mean couldn't Gallinari. He basically had the week off. Very confusing.

How many of those other guys got steamrolled by Robert Tractor Traylor recently?

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7/20/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by oohah:
Not my take. They stated that they informed that Chandler would be sitting out the 2nd half. Mike Crispino then saw Chandler on the court and guess well he probably going to play it out, he is a competitor. Sore backs are sore backs. I know they may pain differs. Also, I find that 3 days off all year stuff to be crap. So other players like Holland, Chandler and Collins were slipping on wine coolers while Gallinari has been working? If Chandler can easily say I going to play, I mean couldn't Gallinari. He basically had the week off. Very confusing.

How many of those other guys got steamrolled by Robert Tractor Traylor recently?

oohah

Umm.. if you didn't notice all those guys played in the same game. I don't think Tractor singled out Gallinari. Also, the Knicks aren't going with the Taylor excuse. They are going with no time off excuse but they forgot about June. The guy held about 4 workouts remember. He only worked out for 3 teams and one general workout which all were against himself. I called that exercising.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 20-07-2008 10:34 AM]
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7/20/2008  5:51 PM
What is the point of the false transitivity property you've introduced and false standards you are creating to criticize either the Knicks handling of their 19 year old first rounder and/or the first rounder himself?
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/20/2008  6:46 PM
Umm.. if you didn't notice all those guys played in the same game. I don't think Tractor singled out Gallinari. Also, the Knicks aren't going with the Taylor excuse. They are going with no time off excuse but they forgot about June. The guy held about 4 workouts remember. He only worked out for 3 teams and one general workout which all were against himself. I called that exercising.

Ummm...I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the game because if you did, you would have seen Galinari get mowed down by Traylor 3 times, then taken out by him on another drive. No other player received any kind of physical abuse like that from Traylor, I guess you missed it.

They all played in the same game? What kind of reasoning is that? I guess Balkman couldn't have hurt his ankle enough to sit out, since all of the other players played the same game, and they're playing, right?

I really could care less about "which excuse" whoever is going with. If a guy has a hurt back and he can't play, then he has a hurt back and he can't play. Trying to make it into any kind of bigger issue is silliness, that's all.

oohah

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7/20/2008  7:09 PM
Did we determine he is hurt and can't play basketball? Will he be playing basketball for the Italian national team? The point is that he is going to go play ball for his Italy team. Is he hurt? If he isn't hurt than why didn't play. If he is hurt why are the Knicks ok with him going to play for his National team? I don't want my team drafting a guy whose committment has to be weighted against his national team. Is this a Yao Ming situation? This is a qualifying event how much time will he be playing with a sore back? Since this guy is Knick property I think these are legit questions. Questions being asked of Olympian players for both the USA team and others. I know Manu is facing these quesitons. Dirk got hit for them as well. Yao, oh course has these questions all the time. Jerry Collangeo has already given Stern his word that the USA team will not interfere with the NBA and there pratices are monitored. Is this the same policy with other national teams? This is new for me, I know guys play summer street ball before like Nate and Jamal but it has never got in the way of Knick functions nor did the Knicks have to plan around it.

But I don't want to hear the BS about the 3 day stuff. He was in the US for most of June and performed in what amounted to were about 4 workouts that were 1 on none. And apparently indicated that the Tractor hit was not that big of a deal. So what's going on?
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7/20/2008  9:11 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Walsh talking about shotblocking importance.

thank goodness SOMEONE'S talking about it for a change besides me.
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7/20/2008  11:03 PM
i think the best part of these SL games so far was that sweet lookin' bukkake plate of a chick w/the purple tube top & the hoop earrings sitting behind Colangelo during his interview today... definite splooge material.
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7/20/2008  11:47 PM
In the game Gallinari played, I think they actually brought him in near the end of the game for a possible intentional foul situation, and then took him out for defense. I believe that all of you know that there are many instances when an injury becomes more of a problem the next day, but at the time of the injury the athlete is still able to play to some degree. I doubt the Knicks would have let Chandler play tomorrow (Mon.) if they had a game. I can guarantee that if this was a playoff series Gallinari would have played, and that if Gallinari had been given a choice he would have played in the other SL games for the Knicks.

Interesting to see that both Chandler and Gallinari were going through the same stretching exercise after they strained their backs. Makes me wonder whether these guys were working out too hard with their lifting. I could see someone like Gallinari trying to work out a little too hard to get stronger so that people like the ones who post in this forum would't take shots at him about his lack of strength. The reports might have been simple PR, but I seem to remember comments made someone with the Knicks that Gallinari had really dedicated himself to the Knicks strength program. I work with HS athletes, and I have known guys who push too hard with the weights, and they do F themselves up sometimes.

Oh, by the way, don't hear people talking about Chandler's durability. The guy is build like a superhero, but he still got hurt. Also got hurt at the end of last year. Where's the fear and comments about Chandler? Lots of top guys got hurt this summer. No comments about brittle bones for Beasley, but lots of comments about Rose's knee. What about Gordon? Supposed to be built like a tank- got hurt anyway. And do you think that Bayless is not going to get hurt if he goes to the basket as much as he did in SL? You never know about injuries. From my childhood days, Willis Reed was a true gamer and hard worker but still got hurt.

Some of you guys really do have agendas. You "cherry pick" information regarding this or that player, and disregard anything that doesn't fit your position. Some of you should have disclaimers on any of your posts regarding Gallinari. NONE of you know for sure which player(s), if any, in this draft will super, solid, or a failure. I can see certain things that make me think Gallinari will be an excellent player someday, but I don't know how he will eventually develop. He could be the steal of the draft, he could be a solid cornerstone player on the Knicks for the next 12 years, but he could also end up being a just a good jump shooter who never reaches what some see his full potential to be. Why not just give the kid and the Knicks some time?
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7/21/2008  8:45 AM
Posted by TMS:

i think the best part of these SL games so far was that sweet lookin' bukkake plate of a chick w/the purple tube top & the hoop earrings sitting behind Colangelo during his interview today... definite splooge material.

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Posted by Paladin55:

In the game Gallinari played, I think they actually brought him in near the end of the game for a possible intentional foul situation, and then took him out for defense. I believe that all of you know that there are many instances when an injury becomes more of a problem the next day, but at the time of the injury the athlete is still able to play to some degree. I doubt the Knicks would have let Chandler play tomorrow (Mon.) if they had a game. I can guarantee that if this was a playoff series Gallinari would have played, and that if Gallinari had been given a choice he would have played in the other SL games for the Knicks.

Interesting to see that both Chandler and Gallinari were going through the same stretching exercise after they strained their backs. Makes me wonder whether these guys were working out too hard with their lifting. I could see someone like Gallinari trying to work out a little too hard to get stronger so that people like the ones who post in this forum would't take shots at him about his lack of strength. The reports might have been simple PR, but I seem to remember comments made someone with the Knicks that Gallinari had really dedicated himself to the Knicks strength program. I work with HS athletes, and I have known guys who push too hard with the weights, and they do F themselves up sometimes.

Oh, by the way, don't hear people talking about Chandler's durability. The guy is build like a superhero, but he still got hurt. Also got hurt at the end of last year. Where's the fear and comments about Chandler? Lots of top guys got hurt this summer. No comments about brittle bones for Beasley, but lots of comments about Rose's knee. What about Gordon? Supposed to be built like a tank- got hurt anyway. And do you think that Bayless is not going to get hurt if he goes to the basket as much as he did in SL? You never know about injuries. From my childhood days, Willis Reed was a true gamer and hard worker but still got hurt.

Some of you guys really do have agendas. You "cherry pick" information regarding this or that player, and disregard anything that doesn't fit your position. Some of you should have disclaimers on any of your posts regarding Gallinari. NONE of you know for sure which player(s), if any, in this draft will super, solid, or a failure. I can see certain things that make me think Gallinari will be an excellent player someday, but I don't know how he will eventually develop. He could be the steal of the draft, he could be a solid cornerstone player on the Knicks for the next 12 years, but he could also end up being a just a good jump shooter who never reaches what some see his full potential to be. Why not just give the kid and the Knicks some time?



BOOM!! hit the nail right on the head..
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7/21/2008  12:34 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

Some of you guys really do have agendas. You "cherry pick" information regarding this or that player, and disregard anything that doesn't fit your position. Some of you should have disclaimers on any of your posts regarding Gallinari. NONE of you know for sure which player(s), if any, in this draft will super, solid, or a failure. I can see certain things that make me think Gallinari will be an excellent player someday, but I don't know how he will eventually develop. He could be the steal of the draft, he could be a solid cornerstone player on the Knicks for the next 12 years, but he could also end up being a just a good jump shooter who never reaches what some see his full potential to be. Why not just give the kid and the Knicks some time?

time? this is ny baby...if he ain't on the allstar team this season, he's a BUST.
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