Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

If your sixth man's not gonna play much defense, then he better be a more consistent contributor on offense than Jamal is. Jamal's closer to an 8th man on a legit team.

please, using that as a guide, Marcus Williams would be lucky to even make an NBA roster based on what he's shown... u guys are seriously trippin'... this is pretty entertaining to hear all these "objective" points of view.

Well the last time he was a bench player (2005-6), he received zero 6th man votes. That placed him behind at least fourteen teams' 6th men, meaning that he'd be those teams 7th (or lower) man. And it's not like he's improved since that season. Why do you think he got zero 6th man votes?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-24-2008 9:07 PM]

Bonn logic.

it's flawless

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

If your sixth man's not gonna play much defense, then he better be a more consistent contributor on offense than Jamal is. Jamal's closer to an 8th man on a legit team.

please, using that as a guide, Marcus Williams would be lucky to even make an NBA roster based on what he's shown... u guys are seriously trippin'... this is pretty entertaining to hear all these "objective" points of view.

Well the last time he was a bench player (2005-6), he received zero 6th man votes. That placed him behind at least fourteen teams' 6th men, meaning that he'd be those teams 7th (or lower) man. And it's not like he's improved since that season. Why do you think he got zero 6th man votes?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-24-2008 9:07 PM]

Bonn logic.

it's flawless

Seriously, though, I thought you'd at least answer my question

if i thought u'd actually made a legitimate point i would have answered it... what does the fact that he didn't get 6th man votes have to do w/whether or not you think he's got the talent to be one? u've watched the guy play enough times... someone capable of scoring 40+ on any given night is nothing more than a 7th man in your eyes? that's pretty ridiculous reasoning on your part IMO.

oh wait, u said he's no better than an 8th man on a legit team... wow.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-24-2008 10:04 PM]

Boy it pains oohah to see Marcus play well. Even though Marcus sat out most of the year with injury and was not in NBA shape upon his return--and now cast into the starter's role with very little PT at all--the guy has perfomed admirably well---25-4-4 game 8-13-7 games the nets not falling apart without J Kidd. I think he is earning his chance to play/start. Harris really isnt a prototypical PG--if Marcus can keep this up Im sure they can move Harris to 6th man for the rest of this year upon return--and his D was much improved tonight--last night awful--so he has to buckle down and play with more energy and brains on the D and stay in control and get people the ball in the right spot---hes very good at that.

You are so transparent BRIGGS. I know you like Uconn guys but you have been off on Marcus Williams plain and simple. It really pains you to admit that Wiliams is not the player you said he was: "best player in the country", "best PG in the draft". Now you're comparing him to Mark jackson, and that makes me think you naver really watched Jackson.

You''re wrong on Charlie Villanueva too. However, I don't remember you singing Josh Boone's praise on draft night, but I was, and just like I told you on draft night, Boone is a better pro prospect than Williams.

I could care less about Williams. he's not worth the bother. I just make sure I hold on tight to my laptop when he is in the building.

He isn't starting in front of Harris for more than 2 games if even that.

P.S>.his D was not improved last night. Kareem Rush used him up, so did Daniels, and Diener would have also, but he just missed easy looks that he got effortlessly. Gimme a break.

oohah

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Posted by oohah:

By the way guys, I think Tate George is better than Marcus Williams. Erick Murdock too.

Whacha think about that BRIGGS?

oohah


I've been friends with Tate George for over 20 years. I think Tate would be the first to tell you he is no where near the same talent as Marcus Willimas. Funny you mention him because he was also picked by the Nets 18 years ago with the same pick Marcus was. I think that you might be barking up the wrong tree. Marcus Williams holds assist records at Oak Hill Academy and Uconn. In his limited time in the NBA he has shown he can score well into the 20's dish out 10+ assists and rebound well for his size. He's 22 years old. Let's give him a chance--he's ceratinly started off very well. I remember that pre-season game against the Knicks where he destroyed us. He still needs to work on footspeed with that injury. The Knicks havent had a point guard prospect from the draft as good as Marcus since Mark Jackson.

Posted by TMS:

if i thought u'd actually made a legitimate point i would have answered it... what does the fact that he didn't get 6th man votes have to do w/whether or not you think he's got the talent to be one? u've watched the guy play enough times... someone capable of scoring 40+ on any given night is nothing more than a 7th man in your eyes? that's pretty ridiculous reasoning on your part IMO.

oh wait, u said he's no better than an 8th man on a legit team... wow.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-24-2008 10:04 PM]

Once a guy is in year 7, you can stop talking about what he has the "talent" to do and start talking about what he has done. He was a below average 6th man every time he's been his team's sixth man and should thus be closer to a 7th or 8th man.

He's been a prolific scorer on rare occasions and a streaker chucker on most occasions. You seem to be focused on the rare occasions but the whole package over 82 games is what makes someone a good starter, 6th man, or lower.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-25-2008 09:38 AM]

Marcus Williams has been injured his second season. Channing wasn't and when he was on the court, played like a freaking P**sy. I could count on both of my hands, how many times he did something aggresive all year last season. It was very dissapointing.

doesn't williams play for nj
if the thought he was any good the would not have gotten harris
he's a backup at most

really, there's no use arguing most points with you because your sense of Bonn logic is something i'll never understand... we can go on & on all day about starters around the league who fall into the "he's just getting more minutes & obviously having higher stats" category, but that wasn't the only extent of your statement now was it... you said you thought Jamal was nothing more than an 8th man on a legit team... so let's say we take a team like the Hornets for example... if you don't think Jamal would be starting games over there over Mo Pete, or even be higher up on the depth chart than Mike James & Jannergo Pargo, then i don't know what to tell u at this point... i'm pretty sure the Hornets fall into that "legit team" category of yours... hmm, what about those Utah Jazz? yeah, Ronnie Brewer's so much better than Jamal, he'd be having to fight for playing time with CJ freakin' Miles & Jason Hart... do i need to go on here? come on already, stop the nonsense.

i seriously don't know what you expect to see out of an NBA player to make him something more than just an 8th man on a legit team, but i'm pretty sure there'd be plenty of teams around the league who would regard him higher than you do... simply playing defense isn't the only standard by which starting material is based on... unless you're playing all World defense like a Bruce Bowen playing on a team that doesn't need you to score, then you better be able to score the basketball, something Jamal does & does well.

lol... w/e.