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12/18/2007  12:53 AM
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Lets go for a franchise player then clean house and get another one the following season.

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This i can go for, minus Isiah.
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12/18/2007  12:53 AM
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Papabear Says

Wow the haters are out tonight and they are venting thier joy!! Man oh man are they full of joy.
Well haters have your fun you deserve it. It was a very bad game. So shout for joy. Joy to the World.
I'll just put this one behind me and move on. Like I said This is a bad team however if we move a few pieces and go to the lottery we will have a chance to compete in about 5 years.

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5 More yrs? And why are you the only one allowed to say our team is no good?

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Hey tonight is your night. Enjoy it. The Knicks got beat real bad the people are saying fire Zeke. Man what more could you want! This is haters joy night. If they loose the next 10 games you guys will be having a party.
I'm very disapointed in the lose. Yes Zeke put this team together and if you are waiting for Zeke to quit there are 25 million reasons why he won't quit. There are 25 million reasons why Dolan won't fire Zeke. Se we can talk till we are blue in the face and tomorrow morning when you wake up Zeke will still be the coach.

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Actually he needs to coach this whole season so he can hear "Fire I SAY UGH" chants until the bitter end until Death. Sorry that you're depressed your BOI is getting the Biz in his own arena.
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12/18/2007  12:58 AM
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Posted by TrueBlue:
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Wow the haters are out tonight and they are venting thier joy!! Man oh man are they full of joy.
Well haters have your fun you deserve it. It was a very bad game. So shout for joy. Joy to the World.
I'll just put this one behind me and move on. Like I said This is a bad team however if we move a few pieces and go to the lottery we will have a chance to compete in about 5 years.

Papabear


5 More yrs? And why are you the only one allowed to say our team is no good?

Papabear Says

Hey tonight is your night. Enjoy it. The Knicks got beat real bad the people are saying fire Zeke. Man what more could you want! This is haters joy night. If they loose the next 10 games you guys will be having a party.
I'm very disapointed in the lose. Yes Zeke put this team together and if you are waiting for Zeke to quit there are 25 million reasons why he won't quit. There are 25 million reasons why Dolan won't fire Zeke. Se we can talk till we are blue in the face and tomorrow morning when you wake up Zeke will still be the coach.

Papabear

And that REALLY makes you happy, doesn't it?

I wonder why.

Papabear Says

Maybe its because every day that Zeke stays I see the pain that you haters are going through. Yes I think that it is best for Zeke to leave but if he can get up to the top of the class of the lottery #1 pick! I'm all for him staying because this team ain't going nowhere. A new coach may just put salt on the wound. Lets go for a franchise player then clean house and get another one the following season.

Papabear

I beg to differ, I see it differently in that I SAY UGH is the one going through pain. On second thought if Dolan had a heart he'd spare your BOI the misery

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12/18/2007  11:05 AM
Isiah has learned what Larry learned.

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12/18/2007  11:12 AM
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that press confrence was sad.. looks like zeke has had enough... these players, this team has beat us fans into submission and now they have done so with the guy that has made all of them rich.... wow!!

It's the worst I've seen it thats why I stayed around to cap the thing. I have never seen him stutter so much. I think at one point he strung about 15 half-broken words together with so many pauses between them I thought he was having a stroke. I couldn't make sense of much of what he said and I doubt he knew what he was saying. He's a defeated man. The only thing I got is there were no company lines, no Isiah spin, all he did was call the entire team out for having no heart and reminded us how tough of a player he was. He had no answers.

It's about time though. I've had enough with the form letter PCs he's given us all this time. Tonight you saw a genuine response to this mess.

We always used to joke about it but tonight is the night that Isiah the coach has finally not just figured out but entirely given into the concept that Isiah the GM is a disaster.
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12/18/2007  11:14 AM
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Isiah has learned what Larry learned.

Larry saw it the day he took the job that's why he acted like such a jackass all season long and ended up fired for his conduct.

There is no vindication of Larry Brown in all of this. How does this help us anyway?

Fan A: "Oh well LARRY knew it."

Fan B: "Ah yes, yes, all is well now, all is well.. WAIT NO ITS NOT WE STILL HAVE ZEKE AND THE TEAM SUCKS!!! SCREW LARRY AND STOP BRINGING HIS DAMN NAME UP!!!"

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12/18/2007  11:43 AM
Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.
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12/18/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.

I agree, and I would also like to point out that Larry Brown knew
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12/18/2007  12:01 PM
What boggles my mind is that people saw a team quit for an entire season and then thought "that's okay, let's fire the coach and build on top of it"
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12/18/2007  12:10 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.


I blame Isiah every day for this disaster. However, the way Larry conducted himself did nothing but destroy a season he was supposed to come in and just COACH. That's why he drew my ire then and he does so now. I don't use either person to defend the other. THEY BOTH SUCK.

That's my point... screw the BOTH of them.
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12/18/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.


I blame Isiah every day for this disaster. However, the way Larry conducted himself did nothing but destroy a season he was supposed to come in and just COACH. That's why he drew my ire then and he does so now. I don't use either person to defend the other. THEY BOTH SUCK.

That's my point... screw the BOTH of them.


There is no such thing as "just coaching".

I did a little research once, which I've lost, but I looked up some 1st year coaches. Not HOFers. 1st year as head coach in the league. Guys like D'Antoni, McMillian, maybe Skiles. I really don't remember - but they all changes 6 to 9 guys onm the roster in their first season. But so many were against that Brown, a top 5-10 coach of all time, wanted to change as many.

You're still trying to fault a guy for having a grasp of the situation at hand.
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12/18/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.


I blame Isiah every day for this disaster. However, the way Larry conducted himself did nothing but destroy a season he was supposed to come in and just COACH. That's why he drew my ire then and he does so now. I don't use either person to defend the other. THEY BOTH SUCK.

That's my point... screw the BOTH of them.


There is no such thing as "just coaching".

I did a little research once, which I've lost, but I looked up some 1st year coaches. Not HOFers. 1st year as head coach in the league. Guys like D'Antoni, McMillian, maybe Skiles. I really don't remember - but they all changes 6 to 9 guys onm the roster in their first season. But so many were against that Brown, a top 5-10 coach of all time, wanted to change as many.

You're still trying to fault a guy for having a grasp of the situation at hand.

All good coaches change the roster. That's why they are good coaches. They understand what type of player thrives in their system. They figure out what type of player they can tolerate and get through too. They don't try to force square pegs into round holes. We try to do that with every coach we have. We make them impotent. We pit our GM against them. The GM then proceeds to get all the players he wants with no cohesive plan between him and the coach. Well that is until Isiah came along and did both and now he has received exactly who he wanted. Oh, the irony.
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12/18/2007  12:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


There is no such thing as "just coaching".

I did a little research once, which I've lost, but I looked up some 1st year coaches. Not HOFers. 1st year as head coach in the league. Guys like D'Antoni, McMillian, maybe Skiles. I really don't remember - but they all changes 6 to 9 guys onm the roster in their first season. But so many were against that Brown, a top 5-10 coach of all time, wanted to change as many.

You're still trying to fault a guy for having a grasp of the situation at hand.

Hold up, I just want to make one thing clear, I don't want it to sound as if someone else coached that year that'd we have been a great team - I don't want that assumption out there as it'd be false. I predicted 35 wins for the season and we damn well COULD have won 35 games if Brown didn't try to attack and fight every single thing.

Secondly his conduct was as unprofessional as it could have possibly gotten. I don't give a crap if the team was 15 Eddy Curry's you DONT BEHAVE that way in such a position of power.

Thirdly, he absolutely wanted full control. He wanted to tell Isiah everything to do and expected it. When he didn't get it that was the end of it so what does he do? Piss and moan all season undermining the team and pitting players against each other and pitting players against the coaches and management.

Now, you can't sit there and tell me that WASNT detrimental and WASNT a reason to absolutely hate that delusional old windbag.


You don't use Isiah Thomas's crappy roster to go back 3 years in time and say "See? Larry Brown is a legend!" Cause he wasn't here he was a scumbag that wasted an entire year.

You don't use Larry to vindicate Isiah for that season. You don't use Isiah to vindicate Larry for that season.

You just don't because they both sucked. There's no defending EITHER at this point and I fail to see how one can. I also fail to see how it helps our current problems. It doesn't. So why constantly bring up the crusty old man? People use Layden to vindicate Isiah still and that's as much of a joke as people using Isiah to vindicate Larry.

Larry acted like a completely unprofessional clown and had nearly 30 million dollars shaved off his contract in arbitration as a result. That ought to tell you something right there about why you can't use Isiah's crap GM skills as a means to vindicate and excuse Larry Brown from acting like an unprofessional jacass.

........I've said my peace, I'm done with this insane topic.

On to what's important and has meaning for our future: FIRE ISIAH and GET RID of Marbury and Curry as fast as humanly possible and then keep chipping away at the trash that has no desire to play or improve.

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On to what's important and has meaning for our future: FIRE ISIAH and GET RID of Marbury and Curry as fast as humanly possible and then keep chipping away at the trash that has no desire to play or improve.

The irony of this statement is that this is exactly what LB was trying to do.
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12/18/2007  1:05 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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There is no such thing as "just coaching".

I did a little research once, which I've lost, but I looked up some 1st year coaches. Not HOFers. 1st year as head coach in the league. Guys like D'Antoni, McMillian, maybe Skiles. I really don't remember - but they all changes 6 to 9 guys onm the roster in their first season. But so many were against that Brown, a top 5-10 coach of all time, wanted to change as many.

You're still trying to fault a guy for having a grasp of the situation at hand.

Hold up, I just want to make one thing clear, I don't want it to sound as if someone else coached that year that'd we have been a great team - I don't want that assumption out there as it'd be false. I predicted 35 wins for the season and we damn well COULD have won 35 games if Brown didn't try to attack and fight every single thing.

Secondly his conduct was as unprofessional as it could have possibly gotten. I don't give a crap if the team was 15 Eddy Curry's you DONT BEHAVE that way in such a position of power.

Thirdly, he absolutely wanted full control. He wanted to tell Isiah everything to do and expected it. When he didn't get it that was the end of it so what does he do? Piss and moan all season undermining the team and pitting players against each other and pitting players against the coaches and management.

Now, you can't sit there and tell me that WASNT detrimental and WASNT a reason to absolutely hate that delusional old windbag.


You don't use Isiah Thomas's crappy roster to go back 3 years in time and say "See? Larry Brown is a legend!" Cause he wasn't here he was a scumbag that wasted an entire year.

You don't use Larry to vindicate Isiah for that season. You don't use Isiah to vindicate Larry for that season.

You just don't because they both sucked. There's no defending EITHER at this point and I fail to see how one can. I also fail to see how it helps our current problems. It doesn't. So why constantly bring up the crusty old man? People use Layden to vindicate Isiah still and that's as much of a joke as people using Isiah to vindicate Larry.

Larry acted like a completely unprofessional clown and had nearly 30 million dollars shaved off his contract in arbitration as a result. That ought to tell you something right there about why you can't use Isiah's crap GM skills as a means to vindicate and excuse Larry Brown from acting like an unprofessional jacass.

........I've said my peace, I'm done with this insane topic.

On to what's important and has meaning for our future: FIRE ISIAH and GET RID of Marbury and Curry as fast as humanly possible and then keep chipping away at the trash that has no desire to play or improve.

So much venom. Delusional old windbag? Crusty old man, Scumbag, etc? Are you angry at him for his age? Or because we won 23 when we could have won 33? You're so afraid to take one step backward for two steps forward? Then you complain that we're still in the situation we're in today? Then this season is for you, kid.

You think LB didn't know what went down with Lenny? That he didn't feel authorized to punish Marbury? That Isiah would lead practices and half-time tirades, and tell him who to play and fire his assistants out from under him? You think Larry found Isiah to be flexible? You think Larry felt supported by Isiah in his battles with key leaders, like Marbury? You think he felt supported in the direction he wanted to take the team? He wanted guys like Earl Watson and Reggie Evans, so Isiah gets them Isiah players like Francis and Rose...

Larry was in a disfunctional battle with a disfunctional GM inside of a disfunctional franchise. How pretty is that ever going to look? But at least he was fighting for the right cause.

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12/18/2007  1:20 PM
Larry acted like a completely unprofessional clown and had nearly 30 million dollars shaved off his contract in arbitration as a result. That ought to tell you something right there about why you can't use Isiah's crap GM skills as a means to vindicate and excuse Larry Brown from acting like an unprofessional jacass.

Since this is the only matter in your post pertaining to fact let's just be clear about it. Nothing got shaved off Brown's contract in arbitration. Stern heard the case and suggest they settle before he ruled. That Dolan capitulated to settling should suggest he was less than confident he would win his case.

The advantage to settling for Brown is that by settling he is still able to coach another team during the duration of that Knick contract, which he would not have been able to do even if he won in arbitration, so if he has coaching aspirations that would be aq distinct advantage in settling for him, whereas the only reason for Dolan to settle was to avoid the humiliation of: a) losing and paying the full amount, and b) Brown publicly telling his side of the story.
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12/18/2007  1:26 PM
Change has to be coming... check this out

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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Cosmic, the reason Brown's name keeps coming up is, throughout his season he was blamed by some to be solely responsible for the knicks poor, gutless performance.

Recall phrases like:

He should set marbs free
He'll want to trade our core
He hates roookies
He's stealing the joy
He's destroying their confidence
He wants Ratliff and Snow

Etc.

It looks like you might have been one such person. Why else would one be so reactivated by reminders this team was bad before, during and after Brown?

Plus he had Isiah and his proxies stabbing him in the back as he worked.

When you guys just man-up for blaming the wrong guy for this mess you wont have to get so twisted every time Brown's name comes up.


I blame Isiah every day for this disaster. However, the way Larry conducted himself did nothing but destroy a season he was supposed to come in and just COACH. That's why he drew my ire then and he does so now. I don't use either person to defend the other. THEY BOTH SUCK.

That's my point... screw the BOTH of them.


There is no such thing as "just coaching".

I did a little research once, which I've lost, but I looked up some 1st year coaches. Not HOFers. 1st year as head coach in the league. Guys like D'Antoni, McMillian, maybe Skiles. I really don't remember - but they all changes 6 to 9 guys onm the roster in their first season. But so many were against that Brown, a top 5-10 coach of all time, wanted to change as many.

You're still trying to fault a guy for having a grasp of the situation at hand.


blue: I can't find the post, and I think it was on realgm. You and I spent a whole day defending brown, trying to tell posters that brown usually tears down, then he builds up. You even used the example of a construction site. I am sure it was you, and it was a good example actually, And really, that is what needed to happen, by tearing down, you get to see the guys who will respond in the right way, which guys really want to play and win, and which guys are just here to collect checks. Many people took offense to browns methods and felt he had a seperate agenda. Now I didn't like his back and forth with marbury, but there is no doubt that brown was the right guy for the job, but he didn't have the support of his GM, who could not have brown expose how weak his players were. So brown was run out of NY to me, in such a cowardly and unprofessional manner. Now isiah is dealing with the mess, that he refused to let brown criticize, break down, and evaluate.. I really don't feel sorry for Isiah at this point... All the chants and boo's are warranted... dolan is holding the fans hostage, and Isiah is only interested in saving his job.... In the end, we the fans, suffer...


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12/18/2007  1:31 PM
As for the LB thing, he was not professional that season with the team. HE should have been fired for how he conducted himself. There is a reason he can't get another job in the league.

Having said that, some consistency would be nice. Isiah should be gone for not being professional. The players hsould be moved.

I realize you can't just fire everybody (although in this case that seems appealing). So if you're going to choose, why the hell would you go against a SECOND Hall of Fame coach over a guy who who destroys everything he's been involved with since his playing days?
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