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Telling it like it is: The Book of Isiah: Unraveling The Biggest Myth in Sports
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10/5/2007  7:16 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

He disregards the salary cap because Isiah's handling of it is so incredibly indefensible. You can't even spin it positively, that's how bad it is.

If he'd go back to the drawing board and write a better article he'll realize how bad this one was.


Omitting a very important, specific, and default standard of qualification on which to be judged is open admission such individual has failed miserably at his job. When a nuthugger judges I SAY UGH all they do is look at his drafting and trades, everything else is irrelevant to them.

That big article can be summed up by:

It ain't your money

It's stupid and doesn't make sense when misterearl says it and it's the same for Modi.
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10/5/2007  7:50 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Reverse Backspin

1. Isiah tried to purchase the Raptors, after building the team with a series of shrewd roster moves? That putz!

2. the CBA deal is perpetually misrepresented. Isiah signed that deal with the understanding the CBA would become a minor league feeder system for the NBA. What happens? The NBA suddenly steps in and organizes the NBDL and guess what? ... all bets are off. Think about it, who painted Isiah as a "savior" of the CBA?

Is it Isiah's responsibility that the NBA chose the route it did when it did?

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Mister Earl you are waisting your breath with some of these guys. They are Fakers and Hatters and they don't want the Knicks to win.

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10/5/2007  7:52 PM
misterearl, papabear seems to respect you. Can you teach him how to spell hater and tell him to STFU?
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10/5/2007  7:53 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by misterearl:

Reverse Backspin

1. Isiah tried to purchase the Raptors, after building the team with a series of shrewd roster moves? That putz!

2. the CBA deal is perpetually misrepresented. Isiah signed that deal with the understanding the CBA would become a minor league feeder system for the NBA. What happens? The NBA suddenly steps in and organizes the NBDL and guess what? ... all bets are off. Think about it, who painted Isiah as a "savior" of the CBA?

Is it Isiah's responsibility that the NBA chose the route it did when it did?

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Mister Earl you are waisting your breath with some of these guys. They are Fakers and Hatters and they don't want the Knicks to win.

Papabear

What would it take for you to admit that Isiah has done a poor job?
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10/5/2007  8:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

Reverse Backspin

1. Isiah tried to purchase the Raptors, after building the team with a series of shrewd roster moves? That putz!

2. the CBA deal is perpetually misrepresented. Isiah signed that deal with the understanding the CBA would become a minor league feeder system for the NBA. What happens? The NBA suddenly steps in and organizes the NBDL and guess what? ... all bets are off. Think about it, who painted Isiah as a "savior" of the CBA?

Is it Isiah's responsibility that the NBA chose the route it did when it did?

earl - isiah had every right to try and purchase the raptors. good for him. but ultimately, that decision proved to be the wrong one.

same goes for the cba. isiah purchased it hoping he could make it a minor league system. his plan turned out to fail b/c the nba didn't want to do business with him.

the point is that he has not made successful decisions in things he tried to set out to do. there's a pattern in his executive days.

maybe he is a good gm or maybe he's just a very good bball scout, but when it comes to making big decisions at an executive level - he doesn't seem to be making successful ones.

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When a man is black balled there is not much he can do. We all know what happened with the CBA and yet it's Zekes fault. We talk about Zeke trading for certain players we know that he can never get because of who he is. Lets watch this season unfold. What people keep talking about is that they hate is smile or his smirk. No matter what they say no matter what they do they will never be able to break Zeke. He is one tough brother and if you don't think so, how many of you hatters think you can whip Zekes butt in a fare fist fight??? Blue!!!whatever!!! Ha Ha Ha

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10/5/2007  8:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

According to players, Thomas' new theme this camp is defense.

I just want to know if he thought of that one himself?
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10/5/2007  8:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Stalin would be proud of this propaganda.

The names, when you compare, look a lot better on paper. It just means absolute crap in the win column.
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10/5/2007  8:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Let me get this straight

Solace - so, after you set aside your personal bias - if that is possible - and when you compare the skill sets, measurements, blend of experience/yoots and depth, you see a roster that is less encouarging than the one Isiah inherited?

Truth is, we would have sucked either way.
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10/5/2007  8:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

to bad this is sports where success is measured in wins and losses.

Thats KNICK wins and losses. Maybe after 4 1/2 years we break the 40 win barrier. If we dont there will be plenty of excuses to go around. Never a shortage of those

I'm looking more foreward to the next embarssing sexual harassment suit.
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10/5/2007  8:28 PM
Posted by Marv:

why haven't you included the marbury and curry trades?

Yeah, what' are you a biggot or something?
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10/5/2007  8:32 PM
Personally, i like both the Marbury and Curry trades.

Whow dude!!! You just lost my attention!
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10/5/2007  8:42 PM
Be forewarned that there are about 8 hardcore Isiah/Knicks haters on this board that will have a hard time admitting Isiah has ever done anything right.
I personally do not even like Isiah but they go so overboard with their flat out hate I often find myself in a strange position of defending him

Jesus' wake up man!!! He just cost Dolan 11.6 million dollars for sexual harrassment and Stern's talking about getting rid of Dolan. This clown ebarrassed us. Anyone who knows me from a half a season back would know that I was a staunch Isiah supporter. I defended him from the start and was proud to have him as our GM. I got a real sour taste in my mouth regarding the suckbury-Brown fiasco and when Isiah defended suckbury, it was down hill from there. Isiah has gotten worse since he's been here. His moves have gotten worse since he's been here. There is' no turn around in his plans. He and Dolan actually think this is a great team. It's a joke!

I would think I'm the biggest hater here. Any votes?
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10/5/2007  8:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Now We're Cookin' With The Answer Man

Panos - So exactly when can we expect to see this omelete?

A. The ingredients are just starting to marinate, sit still until late Janauary.

Panos - Perhaps we should adjourn, and come back in 5 years?

A. The line will wind around the block by then. I suggest you hold your place in line.

Panos - BTW, exactly what kind of omelete are we making?

A. A Garden Omelette

You guys are funny.
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10/5/2007  8:45 PM
Posted by MODI:

I consider most Isiah haters media victims to tell you the truth.

Forget the website article. Do the math. The math is the most important part. I don't need no media to tell me we lost.
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10/5/2007  8:46 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Bi-lingual Vocabulary 101

If MODI worked in a corporate environment and could not say STFU to Solace, he/she might say:

"Can you demonstrate which statements aren't true? If so, i will be happy to clarify."

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10/5/2007  8:58 PM
Posted by Nalod:


the thing that really gets lost sometimes is when you break down each trade or draft, Isiah has done a decent job.

But when you add them all up, it really has not done a thing.

Take the Marbury trade. Really, pound for pound we did not give up much. But we added a huge contract for a player who has not even come close to living up to what was expected of him.

We all assume Laydens team would be frozen in time. That is untrue. Layden also had to undo some very difficult roster moves that were unequitable for the knicks. Dolan was on a morality binge at that time and the vault was not available to him.

Isiah spent an ungodly some of money to do what we thought was impossible. That is glossed over.

It is fair to say that Isiah the drafter has done a very good job of obtaining talent, but like Layden if you have to encapsulize the job done in a specific period of time then one can only conclude Isiah has been a disaster. But the only difference is he has been allowed to parlay millions into draft choices and did a very good job of drafting.

Again, the only thing missing from those rookies are actual wins!

Let's not forget to, we have not had 'a pure star' to talk of on this team, to build around. That's the most' important ingrediant. The number one point I have been trying to make since I started getting on these boards. That is one of three major problems with the Knicks. That along with horrible management (forget about the supreme drafter/trader, but instead sexual harrasser, and the owner who let it happen) and the bad chemisty/attitudes we had to put up with. But a star? Noda one since Ewing started to fade.
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10/5/2007  9:01 PM
Frankly, I think MODI got to our site by a URL link referer when SUCKS posted the original.

What an awsome moderator!
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10/5/2007  9:04 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:

Wow. This thread has ballooned quickly! First, I have to say that I find it suspicious that MODI suddenly joins the board today randomly to let us know his thoughts about the article "he" wrote. One might say that this is a little *too* suspicious and someone is presenting their point of view from two SNs in this thread.


You know you are a man of definitive convictions right?
You believe what you say 100% and wouldnt say something of you did not believe was true right?

Well considering you are telling people to believe that I'm indeed Modi and this is my personal website then I say we place a $1000 bet right here and now. We can do it via a paypal escrow account and give permission to Martin/Andrew to prove who is telling the truth you or me.

So is it a bet? After all you wouldnt say something that wasnt true right?

Whatever dude. I said it was suspicious. Don't have a cow. Frankly, I don't care what Martin and Andrew could find, even via an IP check. Most people have access to multiple IPs and everyone has access to multiple emails. There's no amazement here. Not interested in a loaded bet. Either you're him or you're friends, because it seems too random that he signs up just to post on this thread. Furthermore, it seems extremely odd that you and him both have very similar names. Since there's no real way for you to prove it one way or another (other than by telling the truth and me taking your word), I'll simply rely on Ockham's razor.

In other words you will just make false allegations and then stick your head in the sand.

His name is Modi. I never saw him before this morning. We are friends? Just another of your baseless lies. His website is Cosellouts as he said was to praise Howard Cosell. I told him that he probably should have made it about Lupica.
As far as him registering today my guess is since its his website he looked to see where people were visiting his website from and I had posted his link here. I saw his website link on more than one other Knicks website.

Anyway lets forget the opinions and spin. I'm tired of people making baseless lies about me. You made a claim. I'm saying your claim is BS. Lets put money ($1000) where our mouth is and let Martin/Andrew settle it. Dont you believe what you say enough to put your money where your mouth is?

I'd be curious as to how many 'negative' vs. positive responses Modi got from his/her views.
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10/5/2007  9:11 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the Real GM meeting is down the hall.

MODI defined player transactions as a body of work, for their cumulative effect instead of the one-at-a-time approach which you seem bent on repeating.

The arbitrary individual grades do not help to define the relative merit of any deal as the Knicks roster is a work in progress.

If you really want Othella Harrington back, you can have him.

So far Isiah's body of work as Team President and GM shows a team that hasn't won a playoff game, hasn't made the playoffs with Isiah's players, hasn't broken .500 and has disappointed and embarrassed at every turn. That's one hell of a cumulative effect.

Chances are pretty good that another year will go by without a damn thing changing.

I want those 4 probable lottery picks back and I want all that cap space back. Can I have them?
[Edited by - islesfan on 10-04-2007 12:32 PM]


Exactly the point. Modi Cossucks, you guys want to conveniently translate players into other players by discarding the parts of the trades that don't promote your views. If you want to look at the whole picture, look at the draft picks traded away #2, #9, and the straightjacket he has put us in with the salary cap. Is he a good drafter, I'd likely say yes. But he still completely busted with the single lottery pick that he didn't give away. Frye was a bust. Add it all up, as you want to do = collection of overpaid longterm contracts + role player level youth.

And lets not forget, Collins secret surgery and Lee's strange injury that was still borthering him when he came back at the end. Are these signs of more consistent injury. These guys have question marks on them. Oh' and I almost forgot about Balks. He's gone for a month. I think serious injuries can count as 'busts', if these guys don't recover. I'm just pointing out the bad parts to keep the arguments straight.
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10/5/2007  9:13 PM
Posted by Panos:

You are promoting a point of view from a site that says:
1) Keith Van Horn becomes David Lee and Mardy Collins (via draft picks obtained in interim Nazi Mohammed trade)
2) Dikembe Mutombo, O. Harrington, & F. Williams become Jamaal Crawford
3) Kurt Thomas becomes Quentin Richardson & Nate Robinson (via draft pick)
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)

So what he's saying is 'same types of players' right?
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Telling it like it is: The Book of Isiah: Unraveling The Biggest Myth in Sports

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