Posted by misterearl:

4949 - did you know that dogfighting is legal in the state of Georgia?

[Steph has level of mental development like a 6-grader and it is OK for him to tell anything. Probably he never read any book but comics. So no surprise.

He can read? I'm impressed.

Posted by EnySpree:

Just to update the actual marbury comments.

Marbs was on hot 97, a hip hop radio station in nyc, a few hours ago trying clarify his comments. He basically said is not gonna condemn vick. He was upset how the media is raping him so bad. He said that vicks situation doesn't look good and if he deserves a certain sentence he should hey what's coming to him. He made the comment that he went to jail also for dwi and he is ashamed that happened and he would never do that again cuz he understands what he did and doesn't want kids to think what he did was ok. He said vick has to face that but he wants people to show some restraint. He says vick is still a man and he needs support of his fellow man to help him understand what's wrong with it and help kids understand that they shouldn't do that. Also he stayed that kids need to know that if they mess up, they can turn their lives back around. He made lots of religious references. He just seems like a humble guy nowadays. Talking a lot about humanity, and brotherhood. I can dig that.

He did talk a little about the knicks but my ****in father would **** up long enough for me to hear.

Posted by Pharzeone:

I just read a report that the dogs seize at Vick's place reached their "deadline" and will be killed or excuse me ... euthanized. So let me get this straight, you "rescue" the dogs only to kill them. Where are all those protesters at? Surely, they will take them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986955

Posted by 4949:

Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

If you miss, it has a chance to get away and hunters do' sometimes miss. That simple. A dog who is locked in, you can slip a noose over it's neck and he/she has no' chance of escape! In nature, you take what comes along (fate). In society, Vick took what he wanted.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I just read a report that the dogs seize at Vick's place reached their "deadline" and will be killed or excuse me ... euthanized. So let me get this straight, you "rescue" the dogs only to kill them. Where are all those protesters at? Surely, they will take them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986955

The reason they execute them (not saying I agree with this either)(and this is a major point that people keep missing through all of this, mainly posters like TKF) is that these dogs often times can't function back into human society. They are a threat to human beings due to their mistreatment from being used to Dog Fight. I'm opposed to deer hunting if not for survival but deers don't retaliate on human beings out of the blue because they were shot at with high powered rifles or bows. I'm talking about the deers that survive being hunted with/without any major injuries. Meanwhile these dogs that are abused/tortured during training, during fighting, and afterwards, become vengeful animals and are at high risk to attack something, possibly a human being if they are entered back into regular domestic society conditions. There have been reports in the past when these dogs are brought to the humane society and reconditioned back into to domestic homes, they often times don't get over being a Dog trained to Kill.

Both animals are in unfavorable conditions to be killed, both involuntarily. The major difference IMO, human being are making one become a killer, while not the other.

TKF I'll be looking forward to reading many of your vegetarian recipes during Knick Game recaps. You know we all have to do our best to avoid HYPOCRISY!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 08-23-2007 12:00 AM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Newsflash for anyone not aware but dogs don't need training to attack another dog or human being. If that was the case you would never hear stories about domestic dogs going after people. Correct me if I am wrong but "domestic" dogs have killed before. Killing the dogs after rescuing them is extremely ironic. Once again, where are the protesters saying to give these dogs a chance. Conditioning works both ways.

Posted by Killa4luv:

This thread is intellectually stimulating and hilarious at the same time.

Dog fighting is animal cruelty. I think most of us agree.
Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

There isn't logical consistency between the reaction to cruelty of dogs vs. other animals.
The rodeo? Hmmmm, a bronco has a rope tied tightly around his balls and bucks around a ring? Maybe, just maybe thats a little uncomfortable. I'm sure calves enjoy being tackled and roped too. Sounds like big fun. Again, not quite the violence of dog fighting but it certainly is cruelty to animals.

The media responds to black athletes less favorably than white atheletes in general. NO different than anything that deals with white peoplle vs. people of color in this country. When you are non-white you are easier to demonize, because you are 'other', white people dont identify with you, you dont look like their sons or brothers or fathers. When the columbine kids shot up their schools, the reaction wasnt to make tougher penalties ro lock kids up who do this, it was a question, why? How could this happen? What would make these kids do such a thing? When kids of color do some crazy ****, those questions are never asked, the response is about how many millions of years are we gonna lock them up for. O try them as adults and give them the death penalty. None of the kids who shot up their schools (who survived) got tried as adults, or got some crazy amount of time. I wont go on with this point, because either you get this or you dont.

Americans aren't so cool to animals in general so this is hipocritical. Dogs and cats yes, every other animal, no. Ever seen who chickens are treated before they became a chick fila meal?
http://mercyforanimals.org/hor/

Also its really humorous how many people turn into these strict law and order people when talking about others. Suggesting Vick and this one and that one should do eons in prison. I dont look at someone like Vick as if hes a deranged person. Nor do I think that about the people in the above video. Culture, environment, and circumstances make people do some things they probably wouldn't do otherwise. Think about Nazi Germany. THink about Slavery. THese are millions of people who in many ways were decent and respectable, who supported somethings that were so cruel and inhumane its hard to imagine. If you can get average people to cosign treating humans like cattle, or pushing people into a gas chamber, why is it so hard to believe someone could be into cruelty to animals? I just think this law and order mentality has gone too far in this society and it has only made problems much much worse.

Vick needs to pay some price for what he did, forget the cruelty of it all, it was just incredibly stupid. Your worth 130 million and your doing illegal gambling for $20,000? Thats just really stupid. Is zVIck a threat to society? Is he someone who is likely to get involved in something like this again? How you answer those questions is how you think about what his punishment ought to be. Prison should be reserved for violent people who, for whatever reason, cannot figure out that you cannot hurt people for no reason. Animals are not people, not even domesticated ones, and hurting an animal, while bad, shouldn't be treated the same as harming a human being.

Just my 2 cents.

Again nobody addresses Killa's POST