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misterearl
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7/24/2007  11:28 AM
rembee - I would offer the best transaction of Layden's tenure, whatever anyone wanted to pick as the zenith...

the ultimate best Layden move

and put that transaction against the worst deal of the Isiah Thomas tenure, and STILL come out ahead of the game to upgrade the level of talent on the Knicks roster.

sheesh
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7/24/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

You guys are amusing, this is why I hang out so much here.

Changed the meaning entirely? He just said his preceeding statement "wasn't saying much" but he admitted that you would hear from people that Layden was better than Isiah. So...how did I twist the meaning?

Point, anyway, was people were accepting of a trade for a peaked veteran after a 30 win season. DJsun has yet to come forward and admit that he defended it, but thats on him. Oh, sorry, and Solace "understood" it, but didn't like it.

Right. Moving on...

Very simple, guy. Some people see an apple on a table and call it an apple. Other guys call it a piece of fruit. Another guy might call it food. Another guy might call it a 'thing'. See, the trend here is that each level is less and less specific. As such, when you lump things into one big category, you've lost the initial meaning.

Your unfortunate nature is to lump anything but 100% agreement into the disagreement category, when in fact, it couldn't be farther from the truth.
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7/24/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by misterearl:

rembee - I would offer the best transaction of Layden's tenure, whatever anyone wanted to pick as the zenith...

the ultimate best Layden move

and put that transaction against the worst deal of the Isiah Thomas tenure, and STILL come out ahead of the game to upgrade the level of talent on the Knicks roster.

sheesh

Of course you would, mistertool. And nobody would care.
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7/24/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:
Sounds about right for just about any team in a 2 1/2 month stretch.

So its gone from the "easiest schedule you will ever see" to one that "any team" could expect over 2 1/2 months...exactly my point...wins "any team" that is border-line .500 could expect, which is what we were in that period before we were derailed by injuries.

Borderline .500 after a 23 win season the year before? How is that not tangible progress?

No, it's gone from the "easiest schedule you will ever see", in regards to that 2 1/2 month stretch, to, "any team" can expect a few good wins during a 2 1/2 month stretch. Two separate thoughts but both in relation to that 2 1/2 month stretch.

Let me simplify:

During that 2 1/2 month stretch, they played a lot of under .500 teams. I think it was something extraordinary, like 27 out of 35 games. That would make it the "easiest schedule you will ever see".

During that 2 1/2 month stretch, they also had a few good wins, not unlike what most teams will have during a 2 1/2 month stretch.

How is 33-49, "borderline .500"? 33 wins is not tangible progress.
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7/24/2007  11:30 AM
say what?

>>Your unfortunate nature is to lump anything but 100% agreement into the disagreement category, when in fact, it couldn't be farther from the truth.

now I'm confused

can you say that in English?
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7/24/2007  11:31 AM
Solace - you cared enough to hang out on this original, and very popular, thread so why you getting snippy widit?

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-24-2007 11:32 AM]
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7/24/2007  11:32 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - you cared enough to hang out on this original thread so why you getting snippy widit?

Can you say that in English?
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7/24/2007  11:32 AM
I'm having a hard time following this. I'm giving up and going to Amsterdam.
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7/24/2007  11:33 AM
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7/24/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

You guys are amusing, this is why I hang out so much here.

Changed the meaning entirely? He just said his preceeding statement "wasn't saying much" but he admitted that you would hear from people that Layden was better than Isiah. So...how did I twist the meaning?

Point, anyway, was people were accepting of a trade for a peaked veteran after a 30 win season. DJsun has yet to come forward and admit that he defended it, but thats on him. Oh, sorry, and Solace "understood" it, but didn't like it.

Right. Moving on...

i personally was against the dice deal b/c we had to rebuild.

but i understood 100% why it was made and why it made sense. camby is lauded here like he did something special for us...the guy was hurt 20+ games every single season. we were trading away and injury riddled player. who was still hurt his first 1 1/2 season with denver.

it was the #7 pick that was the issue for debate.

dice was layden's gamble at a star. he swung and missed.

3 more gambles since then - marbury (swung and missed), curry (tbd), zach (tbd).
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7/24/2007  11:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by RemBee76:

You guys are amusing, this is why I hang out so much here.

Changed the meaning entirely? He just said his preceeding statement "wasn't saying much" but he admitted that you would hear from people that Layden was better than Isiah. So...how did I twist the meaning?

Point, anyway, was people were accepting of a trade for a peaked veteran after a 30 win season. DJsun has yet to come forward and admit that he defended it, but thats on him. Oh, sorry, and Solace "understood" it, but didn't like it.

Right. Moving on...

i personally was against the dice deal b/c we had to rebuild.

but i understood 100% why it was made and why it made sense. camby is lauded here like he did something special for us...the guy was hurt 20+ games every single season. we were trading away and injury riddled player. who was still hurt his first 1 1/2 season with denver.

it was the #7 pick that was the issue for debate.

dice was layden's gamble at a star. he swung and missed.

3 more gambles since then - marbury (swung and missed), curry (tbd), zach (tbd).

Layden Lover.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-24-2007 11:35]
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7/24/2007  11:35 AM
Jones - you won't regret it. Amsterdam has some marvelous museums and the interaction with the coastal ecology is a lesson for how this country could deal with erosion issues.

There are some parts that will remind you of The Bronx

Ride the train to Den Haag and go to the beach
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7/24/2007  11:36 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Jones - you won't regret it. Amsterdam has some marvelous museums and the interaction with the coastal ecology is a lesson for how this country could deal with erosion issues.

There are some parts that will remind you of The Bronx

Ride the train to Den Haag and go to the beach

I might have to wait until the exchange rate is more favorable.
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7/24/2007  11:37 AM
Don't wait dude. If you are wise with your chedda you can always crash at a student hostel.

Amsterdam is the ish.
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7/24/2007  11:38 AM
Then again, Capetown South Africa will take your breath away.
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7/24/2007  11:40 AM
And my point, Isles, is that if the Knicks actually lost to too many of those under .500 teams, then how does your contention that the wins were due to the easy schedule hold any water? DOn't bother looking...it doesn't.

They played some quality ball during that stretch and beat some quality teanms. Eddy had the best two months of his career, Craw the best two as a Knick, Marbury the best two as a supoprting vet, Balkman two months of showing that he wasn't a mistake at pick 20, and Lee two months of just being Lee.

Progress. I never thought for a second posting this that you would admit it or see it, but anyone looking at the team with an open mind during that period had to see a team playing better ball.

Lets see what happens next season. I'm out for now.
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7/24/2007  11:45 AM
i'm surprised that posters are so hell-bent on proving that IT was better than layden. layden was one of the worst GMs of his era! this is just like those threads bashing ainge bird and mchale, today's obottom of the barrel, except this one is probably more entertaining.

i want to be comparing my GM today to the likes of dumars, colangelo, buford/popovich of recent years. i'm disappointed we can't do that, just like i was under layden.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 07-24-2007 11:47 AM]
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7/24/2007  11:46 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - you cared enough to hang out on this original, and very popular, thread so why you getting snippy widit?

I could ask you why you and Rem are intentionally misunderstanding the points, but I know already. That is why I'm getting 'snippy widit'.
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7/24/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by Masterplan:

i'm surprised that posters are so hell-bent on proving that IT was better than layden. layden was one of the worst GMs of his era! this is just like those threads bashing ainge bird and mchale, today's obottom of the barrel, except this one is probably more entertaining.

i want to be comparing my GM today to the likes of dumars, colangelo, buford/popovich of recent years. i'm disappointed we can't do that.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 07-24-2007 11:47 AM]

The genius of it is claiming that we're a bunch of closet Layden Lovers.
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7/24/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

And my point, Isles, is that if the Knicks actually lost to too many of those under .500 teams, then how does your contention that the wins were due to the easy schedule hold any water? DOn't bother looking...it doesn't.

Win or lose it doesn't change the fact that their schedule during that period was extremely favorable. Whether or not they took advantage of that soft schedule goes to the quality of their team. I believe a barely over .500 record over that time and a 33-49 record overall doesn't show much tangible progress.
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