Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by simrud:
What he is saying is that compared to what peopel have to go through in other countries, the situation of TODAY in this country is not nearly as bad. Bash away all you want, but fact is while racims is a fact of life, its impact is not nearly as big as some would have it. As things are TODAY, there is alot of responsbility for their actions that the African American community needs to take. At some point, once the oppourtunities are there, you can't keep saying, its the white man who keapt me from graduating from hich school, getting an affirmative action scholarshiop, and getting a decent job.
Plenty of black people succeed in this country, and interestingly enough, black immigrants do very similarly to other legal immigrants who come here. It is not even a black and white thing, its an African American thing.
I understand its a cycle when one grows up in a poor familty that does not instill the values of archievement, and it is very hard to break that cycle, and you can even lay the blame for the difficultie of breakign that cycle on the white dominated establishment. But in the end, the only way a minority can get ahead is by doing well for THEMSELVES. We can't just expect to do the same as the majority and get the same thigns, we have to do BETTER. That is the way, and the only way for a minority group to succeed that I know. That is what Jews have done everywhrere, and I don't see why African Americans can't take the same road.
I aree with everything you have said here. One key difference between blacks and Jews is that, 1) to begin with Jews have a very strong group identity, Jews tend to be very loyal to other Jews and this helps build Jewish communities. 2) Jews, like the Irish and other immigrants are now just white. And white in this country, is a good thing. 3) The holocaust did not destroy Jewish culture, it only caused a great loss of life. In fact, one could argue that the Jewish cultural ties became stronger as a result of the holocaust.
Black people do need to do what the Jews did, but its alot more difficult for us to do what the Jews did, starting with the fact that we are black. And that our culture, heritage, language, identity was completely erased. We don't have a strong group identity and that was purposely destroyed during slavery, and we have never fully recovered. As we continue to try to develop a new identity in this country, like in th 60's, 60's, 70's, we have movements destroyed, leaders imprisoned, political assasinations, drugs purposely put in our communities, etc. We have slipped back on some of the progress that has been made, but it wont last forever.
This is all valid points.
And some things that may be not known to you.
Jews are not only white. A lot of Jews are black and Asian. Jews are religious and not.
Jews identity is not race, color, national and county descent, religion, or even culture.
The thing which is essential - Jews decided that it is nothing in this world that will be given for free. There is nobody to help.
No goods and no authorities, no governments and no movements.
The only thing that can raze you is within and the only way is to perfect yourself with education, culture, and hard work.
The only way to build the future is to give you kids more that you had.
The only way to solve the problems is peace and the things that matter are human live and well being.
It's simple and it works. And this is moving the human race forward regardless.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
I am very sorry for music like this.
4/9/2007 2:35 PM