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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian
A Christian is a follower of Jesus of Nazareth, referred to as the Christ. Christians believe Jesus to be the Son of God, who lived a life befitting that of the Creator of the universe, free of sin and full of love, who at the end of his earthly life was crucified, and then on the third day, rose from the dead, and later ascended into heaven, with the promise to return.
Christians believe that Jesus offers the only path to salvation, and that it is only possible because of him. Paul of Tarsus' Epistle to the Ephesians, a key work in early development of Christian doctrine, states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Christians believe that salvation cannot be earned, but can only come as a gift from God. Good works, however, are a result of living according to the teachings of Jesus.
Christians identify themselves as monotheistic, believing that there is one God. Most sects believe in a triune God made up of: Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit (the Paraclete or advocate). Today, it is estimated that there are around 2.1 billion Christians in the world making up 33% of the world population, with the largest Christian denomination being Roman Catholicism.[2]
Some Christians or denominations do not necessarily hold the above beliefs, see nontrinitarianism.
So obviously Paul was a Christian or a follower of Christ. I believe Paul possibly wrote the book of Romans and Corinthians plus the little books of the Galtians-Philipians and Book of Thesselonians and Timothy. It may have been the Apostle Peter another Cristian or follower of Christ. I'm not trying to turn this into a sermon but if these 2 individuals were Christians and had a hand in writing the Bible why would they write in Romans Chap 1 vs 26-32 and 1 Corinthinas chap 6 vs 9-11 condemning Homosexuality if in today's society it should be natural to accept it?
The teachings of Christ are founded on his father's words. Where are those located?
That's why it's so hard and seems practically impossible to be a Christian because the cards are stacked against such ones in this world. No one wants to be told what to do/converted and everyone feels they have a personal road to salvation including Homosexuals.
It's too bad we can't work together as a society to resolve and uphold moral values without feeling that major offenses or violence taking place.
so in your view, Christians are infallible & their written words should be taken as Gospel by anyone who reads their message? just trying to get a hold on your argument here... you really haven't said anything in that last post to strengthen your argument.
& just to make it clear, i am NOT speaking out against Christianity... like i said, i grew up in a Christian family & both my parents are devout Christians themselves... i do believe in some key fundamental Christian ideals, but judging other people for how they live their lives is definitely NOT one of them.
It's not about judging at all especially if you don't consider yourself a Christian. Just because you believe in something and try to live by it does not make you infallible. We live in the United States of America and by it's laws and break them everyday. Those who feel this is the greatest system to live in. Those who threaten that system are judged not by those who are separate from it but by those who live by it and uphold it. Many of us have ran red lights, stop signs, cheated on taxes, etc etc yet support the system are they infallible? Heck we live in a system where imperfect human beings sentence inperfect humans beings to death.
Let's just go with the assumption the Bible is true. Pontius Pilate found no crime in what Jesus had done yet the Jews said no Pilate you have to sentence him. Pilate even had a dream that told him get out of that situation and he turned him away on 3 separate ocassions. Finally he succummed to imperfect human beings, he being imperfect himself even after all evidence presented to him proved no fault. He handed Jesus over to the Jews and told them do what you feel is necessary
Similar things happen today, not in the exact manner but in the case of humans deciding for another human what should be done with them.
My point is if you call yourself a Christian and live by the teachings of Christ which are found in the Bible then obviously you don't accept Homosexuality, although you treat everyone equally the same.
Not Accepting is not the same as Judging.
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-16-2007 1:00 PM]
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