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10/19/2006  12:09 PM
It just goes to show you what we're dealing with."

How old is Isiah? LOL Isiah, what you're dealing with is a dime in a dozen, meaning, everyone including many former Knicks are bashing you and Dolan and are willing to use to tv camera and airwaves to say it. If I could I would too, and I love the Knicks to death. What WE'RE dealing with is a creep.
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10/19/2006  12:11 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

So what some of you guys are saying is that it's ok for G.Anthony to do his job and criticize our team but it's not ok for I.Thomas (like it or not, the KNICKS coach) to defend out team and players from those criticizing us?

I'm really getting sick and tired of these bum asz former players turned "expert" analysts and sports writers that have never played organized sports in their life, always talking shiit.
he didnt defend his player or team. He called out Greg Anthony, took shots at his playing career, and suggested he wasnt a "true Knick" despite playing here. It was juvenile, unprofessional and typical Isiah. I guess he thinks its not fair that the media picks on his 26 win team... I mean he's Isiah Thomas

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10/19/2006  12:11 PM
Posted by wsdm:

I basically agree with Bip here. I'd have no problem with Isiah defending the pick. I wouldn't even mind if he mentioned Greg Anthony, saying something like "Renaldo's gonna prove all the critics, particularly Greg Anthony, wrong." But Isiah went WAAAAAY overboard here making this personal. He looks like an immature, narcissistic teenager when he insults Anthony's basketball abilities.

Well, Isiah better defend the pick first off and his decision to choose Balkman. That's fine. But you're right. I'm just sick of this baby.
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10/19/2006  12:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Swishfm3:

So what some of you guys are saying is that it's ok for G.Anthony to do his job and criticize our team but it's not ok for I.Thomas (like it or not, the KNICKS coach) to defend out team and players from those criticizing us?

I'm really getting sick and tired of these bum asz former players turned "expert" analysts and sports writers that have never played organized sports in their life, always talking shiit.
he didnt defend his player or team. He called out Greg Anthony, took shots at his playing career, and suggested he wasnt a "true Knick" despite playing here. It was juvenile, unprofessional and typical Isiah. I guess he thinks its not fair that the media picks on his 26 win team... I mean he's Isiah Thomas

Fish I hate to knock you off of cloud 9 with your assessment of last year's team. But we actually won 23 games last year. Not 26. Sorry for being a pessimist.
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10/19/2006  12:22 PM
I find it hilarious how people come on the site wondering why the press and media isn't talking glowingly about us after a 23 win season. Cracks me up.
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10/19/2006  12:22 PM
23, 26... bla bla bla. Damn... we were worse than I thought
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10/19/2006  12:23 PM
Posted by fishmike:

23, 26... bla bla bla. Damn... we were worse than I thought

Ah see, for a moment there you thought we were good last year, but I had to bring you down a peg.
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10/19/2006  12:27 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I find it hilarious how people come on the site wondering why the press and media isn't talking glowingly about us after a 23 win season. Cracks me up.
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10/19/2006  12:30 PM
Like him or not, Isiah knows what he's doing. (Martin can we have the owner of this quote terminated)

If anyone still supports the job isiah has done they are an *******, and we still don't have one pg on this team, nate doesn't perform out there from the position, crawford does not, marbury and steph do not......

Its sad that he would not draft a player that would help the team because of the sulkers he brought in.....

Guys that know what they are doing, don't have to buy out player they bring in J.Williams, Mo Taylor, and consider buying out JJ a season after he gives a long term deal.....

Spike not complaining at the draft is typical for one reason, he is a little racist midget that always has to bring out the bad in a situation instead of helping, and supports Isiah for one reason and that is the absolute truth, as knicks fans we hope for success but I bet if another GM made that pick spike would have been all over it

That said Balkman really is fresh air to this team him and Lee are a great energy combination that will work well together in the future
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10/19/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

23, 26... bla bla bla. Damn... we were worse than I thought


Counting preseasons wins as a part of our total 26 is actually correct.
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10/19/2006  12:34 PM
Posted by fishmike:

23, 26... bla bla bla. Damn... we were worse than I thought

You forgot the most important default excuse detail that once again clears Zeke of all failures. Last yr's 23 win team was all LB's fault and in Zeke's eyes after the fact LB wasn't a True Coach.
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10/19/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Allanfan20:

True Knicks:

Willis, Walt, Earl, Barnett, Dave D, King, Ewing, Oakley, Trent Tucker, Rory Sparrow (At least I guess???) Derek Harper, Anthony Masion, Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Charlie Ward.

All guys who have helped the Knicks win in some way shape or form. Now who in the hell does Isiah think he is to come up here and talk about "True Knicks." when he didn't play for us, PLUS has done nothing but lose for us as a GM and made us worse and has gotton pretty much everyone to hate him. What an embarrassment. It's so impossible to root for the guy.

i think u'r misconstruing Isiah's comments here... he never said anything about Greg Anthony not being a "true knick"... the comment was as follows:
"This so-called former Knick, on draft night with millions of people watching, had the audacity to take me to task on a player that I'm pretty sure he had never seen before in his life," Thomas said. "But he stands on national television and talks about a kid he has absolutely no idea about. I'm just glad that all of New York doesn't think like Greg Anthony."

"Greg Anthony should never ever be in a position to question myself on anything about basketball," Thomas said. "I do remember the kind of player he was. I'll leave it at that."

"This is between Greg and I," Thomas said in a lengthy diatribe about Anthony to the media after the Knicks practice. "The things he said on draft night ... after all the good solid work we had done in the draft ... for him to take that position he took ... I thought he was way way way out of bounds."

"I just thought he was very unfair to the Knicks organization," Thomas said. "It would be different had he not worn a Knick uniform. But for a guy who claims to have been a Knick, to treat the Knicks the way he treated us that night ... I know a Piston would never do that. A Celtic would never do that. A Laker would never do that. It wouldn't happen. It just goes to show you what we're dealing with."

it's more an assault on Anthony's character & the fact that in Isiah's opinion, he had made unfair comments & assumptions about his former team... i don't think it's Isiah saying that Greg Anthony was never a true Knick or anything to that effect.

Maybe the true Knick part was wrong, but how come he attacked Greg Anthony? Why not Charlie Ward (For bashing Steph), or Oakley (For basically calling his team a bunch of sissies) or Ewing (Again, for bashing Steph.) and I can bet you maybe a little bit amount of money that Allan just might be saying a couple of things on ESPN. Heck, Walt Frazier bashed Marbury right to his face during that Summer league game. Isn't that right? Don't forget Kurt Thomas and even Tim Thomas (Even though I don't even consider Tim to be a Knick). Why isn't IT killing those guys. It's not just Greg Anthony. Former Knicks left and right know perfectly well what Isiah has done to this organization and they are willing to speak.


i suspect there is some other deeper personal issues going on between the 2 that goes beyond what GA simply said on draft night... you don't lash out that deeply at some comments made by anyone concerning a pick unless there's some other things going on beneath the surface... maybe as it has been previously mentioned, GA was angling for Isiah's job & Isiah resents the fact that GA thinks he knows more about judging young talent than he does when GA hasn't proven a thing in the NBA in that respect? could u really blame Isiah for being bitter if that was the case? i sure wouldn't... & i'm not trying to take Isiah's side here, just trying to be objective & playing Devil's advocate.

again, i think the comments he made attacking GA's past playing career were childish & not befitting a top executive of an NBA franchise to make, but the root comment he made about the Balkman pick itself was fair... it would be different if Isiah were dissing Jay Bilas for making the same exact comments, because chances are Bilas had seen Balkman play numerous times in the past & was only relaying his own opinion of the pick... in that case it's just a difference of opinion... but in Isiah's mind, GA had very limited or no knowledge of Balkman & was just following along w/the popular Knick bashing that night, & to him, he felt that was wrong & took it personal... that probably added to the other underlying issues they had going on imo.

[Edited by - TMS on 10-19-2006 12:41 PM]
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10/19/2006  12:40 PM
Seriously the time and effort devoted to this thread and other threads like it could be used to actually discuss Knick basketball. Enough of this he said, he said and who is classless or classy.

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[Edited by - buddapaw on 10-19-2006 12:41 PM]
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10/19/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by MS:

Its sad that he would not draft a player that would help the team because of the sulkers he brought in.....

you don't think Balkman will help this team & fill the biggest need they had going into this past offseason?
Spike not complaining at the draft is typical for one reason, he is a little racist midget that always has to bring out the bad in a situation instead of helping, and supports Isiah for one reason and that is the absolute truth, as knicks fans we hope for success but I bet if another GM made that pick spike would have been all over it

not really sure what you're getting at w/that comment, but the last part of that is pure speculation... pretty much just like saying Balkman woulda for sure been available at #29.
That said Balkman really is fresh air to this team him and Lee are a great energy combination that will work well together in the future

& Isiah brought both of them in... so wouldn't it be fair to give him just the least bit of credit for that alone? i'm no Isiah fan, far from it, believe me, but 1 issue doesn't have anything to do w/another... he's made some horrible personnel choices in the past as well as some good ones... if Balkman turns out to be a good one, i'm going to give him all the credit in the world for taking him in the draft when he did... if he turns out to be a bust (it's pretty clear he won't be a bust at this point unless he just can't stay healthy), then i'll have no problem bashing him either.
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10/19/2006  12:53 PM
buddapaw, this is a Knicks forum.
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10/19/2006  1:11 PM
If you are signing Jeff long term not sure if you need Balkman because they do the same things and give you no offense....

I'll give Isiah credit for drafting everytime, I know the kids was going to be there without a doubt.....I just think Marty Collins is terrible and not athletic and was a waste of a pick he should have just moved it, because he says we didn't need a pg and then drafts one which is a typicl Isiah contridication......

And with Spike i was just mentioning that he looks for the bad in every situation and is always quick to point out things, but i don't believe he would publically get on Isiah for obivious reasons....

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10/19/2006  1:16 PM
Mardy's more of a combo G in the mold of an Aaron McKie... i agree, i think w/the #29 pick Isiah should've gone for a shotblocker instead of drafting Collins, but i'm happy w/Balkman.
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10/19/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by buddapaw:

Seriously the time and effort devoted to this thread and other threads like it could be used to actually discuss Knick basketball. Enough of this he said, he said and who is classless or classy.

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[Edited by - buddapaw on 10-19-2006 12:41 PM]

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10/19/2006  2:17 PM
Isiah thinks he's teaching the players how to stick up for each other and make competition personal, but in fact he's just proving another former knick right, and showing it all flows from the top.

"I just think the Knicks are immature." - Charlie Ward

It actually reminds me a bit of Butch Carter wanting to sue Marcus Camby for defamation of character for saying the players didn't like Carter.

Are such distractions really helpful?

BTW, when do the harassment hearings begin?
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10/19/2006  2:25 PM
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