Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Tom's question warrants repeating because it was a good one and was ignored: Briggs said Miles was high bball IQ whereas another poster said he was low bball IQ. *How do we determine who is right?*

what? So there is no such thing as emotional IQ? How abot IQ? You are right though, it is the same thing as 'playing the right way'

Just because some IQs exist doesn't mean anything labelled IQ exists. Also, just because something exists or can be used in a sentence doesn't mean it's *useful*

It doesn't matter who is wrong or right. It's an opinion. for example my opinion is that Darius Miles and Eddie Curry and Stevie Francis all have great talent. All can help teams win with their talent alone. But none of them have a high basketball IQ. None of them knows how to do the little things to help a team take it to the next level. You may disagree with my assessment 100%. Who cares. Why do we take this stuff so personally?

The point is it's such a vague term that two smart posters can reach 180 degree opposing views and either view can be sound.
None of it's personal. I was enjoying the debate actually.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Tom's question warrants repeating because it was a good one and was ignored: Briggs said Miles was high bball IQ whereas another poster said he was low bball IQ. *How do we determine who is right?*

what? So there is no such thing as emotional IQ? How abot IQ? You are right though, it is the same thing as 'playing the right way'

Just because some IQs exist doesn't mean anything labelled IQ exists. Also, just because something exists or can be used in a sentence doesn't mean it's *useful*

It doesn't matter who is wrong or right. It's an opinion. for example my opinion is that Darius Miles and Eddie Curry and Stevie Francis all have great talent. All can help teams win with their talent alone. But none of them have a high basketball IQ. None of them knows how to do the little things to help a team take it to the next level. You may disagree with my assessment 100%. Who cares. Why do we take this stuff so personally?

The point is it's such a vague term that two smart posters can reach 180 degree opposing views and either view can be sound.
None of it's personal. I was enjoying the debate actually.

You can say the same thing about using the term "good player".

Yes, and that's why good player is a poor, lazy term that could be replaced by much more concrete qualities.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Tom's question warrants repeating because it was a good one and was ignored: Briggs said Miles was high bball IQ whereas another poster said he was low bball IQ. *How do we determine who is right?*

what? So there is no such thing as emotional IQ? How abot IQ? You are right though, it is the same thing as 'playing the right way'

Just because some IQs exist doesn't mean anything labelled IQ exists. Also, just because something exists or can be used in a sentence doesn't mean it's *useful*

It doesn't matter who is wrong or right. It's an opinion. for example my opinion is that Darius Miles and Eddie Curry and Stevie Francis all have great talent. All can help teams win with their talent alone. But none of them have a high basketball IQ. None of them knows how to do the little things to help a team take it to the next level. You may disagree with my assessment 100%. Who cares. Why do we take this stuff so personally?

The point is it's such a vague term that two smart posters can reach 180 degree opposing views and either view can be sound.
None of it's personal. I was enjoying the debate actually.

You can say the same thing about using the term "good player".

Yes, and that's why good player is a poor, lazy term that could be replaced by much more concrete qualities.

Sure if you want to get specific about a player you can get more specific. But someone doing a drive by typing that wants to make a quick point I think it's perfectly okay for them to throw out a sentence such as "stephon marbury is a good player" depending on the context of the rest of the post.

I personally would not be too upset with this and wouldn't spend too much time analyzing what word they should have used instead of good. Overanalyzation such as what you and I are doing right now is silly.

I personally would not be too upset with this

Posted by rvhoss:

wrong, see martin constantly dogging my posts. j/k

certain types are those that think because a player plays different than history makes them not "blah blah blah"

Same thing in the nfl, elway was labeled as not a real QB until they got rid of their stodgy old coach and suddenly back to back championships.

Jordan was in a similar situation because he wore gold chains and was flashy...got rid of his stodgy coach and bam...6 titles.

You guys can label IQ this and don't play the right way that...but I have to honestly say, shaq doesn't play the right way (sucks from the free throw line and always dunks the ball).

Heck, Wilt didn't play the right way either.

It's a term used by certain types...I never used it and some of you throw it around AFTER FB got here, but before, never even used the term.

Basketball IQ is a term used in place of I hate his game.

see Steve Nash? PLEASE. See Jason Kidd more like it, defense from the get go.

run and gun is not high basketball IQ. neither is winning titles or MVPs.

So, yeah, you know what I'm talking about and who I'm talking to.

Posted by TMS:

earl, where do you get off talking down to people on this site & acting like yours is the only opinion that carries any validity? who do you think you are, Jerry freakin' West? you're a fan of the Knicks just like the rest of us are... state your opinions & debate them if you like, but you don't have a right to be dissing people who's opinions don't necessarily match up to yours... this forum is here for free exchange of our views on this team... no one's more right or wrong than another... everyone has their own interpretations on this topic... respect that.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-08-2006 9:21 PM]

Posted by Bippity10:

"I like J.T.'s toughness and his basketball I.Q. so much that we signed him twice," Anderson said(Missouri's new coach).

"This group is very intelligent," Thompson said. "They are a great class in terms of basketball IQ and competitiveness. They all won in high school, and they are bringing that attitude here."(Princeton's coach)

Wesleyan's coach has a website devoted to helping players increase their "basketball IQ"

"Rodman was the best conditioned player in the league, and maybe had the highest basketball IQ."-Phil Jackson

"I thought David Padgett was great. He was equal to two of our big guys. He played terrific. Teamwise, we did things necessary to stop our opponents at crucial times and win games. Defensive rebounds and taking good shots in last 4-5 minutes. We didn't take bad shots last 4-5 minutes. The atmosphere here, this was my first time coach here, the atmosphere here is special. Their basketball IQ is off the charts. People understood basketball, even though they are routing for Louisville. They understood good plays. We find that at Syracuse too. They want Louisville and the Cardinals to win very badly."-Jim Calhoun(racist bastard)

"They're strong, they're quick, and they have the most important ingredient you need," Coach Jim Larranaga said. "Basketball IQ and the heart to go with it. ...

“I don't know what I do best,” he said. “I may not be the tallest, the quickest or the most athletic, but my IQ is going to get me farther. I just know how to react – to a situation on the floor or whatever it may be.”(Jai Lewis-George mason forward)

“What I didn’t like was that there were several things out of the timeout when things started going the other way and our heads got down a little bit,” said Beilein. “Our basketball IQ wasn’t what it needed to be. Those are things we need to emphasize now and get them out of the way for us.”-West Virgina coach

The use of this word is out of control. We must hunt down all that use it and kill them because it is offensive.

As for Shaq and Wilt. I never saw Wilt play. Shaq I think does not play the game the right way. His foul shots are ugly and his main strength is his power. I also think he has a very high basketball iq. Understands positioning and how to use his strengths. Understands when to take over a game and when to let someone else. Understands how to keep the ball moving. Despite the fact that he doesn't play the game the right way he does have a very strong understanding of what needs to be done on the court. Just my opinion. Don't get all upset because I think this way. Some may think differently. They would be wrong.

Posted by Bonn1997:

all right this might be an issue better left untouched by a 1000 foot pole but I'm bored. People brought up whether basketball IQ is a racist term. I DON'T think anyone ever uses the term to try to be racist. However, I am curious as to whether any White player has ever been referred to as a "low IQ" player.