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8/1/2006  5:29 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by misterearl:

Who besides a loser tries to lose on purpose?

A coach trying too hard to impose his agenda over winning games

misterearl, once again the coach is gone so we don't have to deal with him but the players are still here.

No, we must blame Larry Brown! Larry Brown causes the Knicks players to quit. LB will be the reason we don't win this year! ... and next!!! ... and next!!!! Even though he's not here, it must be him, because it's not the players and it's not Isiah!!!!! Down with LB!!!!!!! Down with fascist dictator coaches with voodoo dolls who curse our team!!!!!!! DOWN!!!!!!!!!! Marbury and Francis = Earl and Monroe!!!!!!!!!!! Curry = Ewing!!!!!!!!!!!!! Frye = Duncan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Balkman = Rodman + Artest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nate = Shorter MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, this team is golden, and so any failure will be due to LB, for the next 10 years.

Also, I'd like to add that this isn't a democracy, it's a dictation...

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8/1/2006  5:34 AM
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Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.

Being young is ont thing. Being young you means have players that you can pick out that you want to develop and get time. There IS a thing as too much youth (look at the Clippers circa '98-an example I have pointed out roughly a million times before as my biggest fear that the Knicks will turn into). When you have too much youth that demands time to develop you eventually will develop none of it. Also, when you want to go young you usually have older plaers that don't warrent the time over your young guys.

I would agree, but the Clips didn't have as much promise as we do with this bunch. Frye, Lee and Nate are already being talked about as starters and starters that can make a difference in games situations. Crawford, Woods and if we get Jeffries are alreaady proven abilities, although it may sound a little like the verdict is still out there on Jefferies so far, but we'll see. Curry could be another one, young, but finally getting his game together.Most of these guys are athletic and Zeke is obviously trying to put together a defensive type team, with the additiions of Balkman and Collins aboard. What we have in our youth is depth'. In other words, If we can get three or four of these guys to star for our team (and what I mean by that is, pull some pretty good numbers, live up to what they can do), then that would be a great thing and the youth movement will definately pay off.

All in all, I'd rather take a chance on a youth movement, then a bunch of under achieving, over paid vets. At least you can see what you have, before those big contract times come up and you can have an option of either dumping or trading a young guy if it isn't working out. With a vet (example: Marbury, James, Francis) they make a lot of money with guaranteed contracts and if they don't work, your stuck with them. Give me youth any day.

Bro the Clips had INFINITLY more talent than we did. In 2002 they had Quentin, Maggette, Miles, Odom, Brand, Jaric, Dooling, Olowakandi, Boykins, and McInnis on one team. Now they only have Brand and Maggette and they just made the playoffs for the first time.
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8/1/2006  10:15 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by 4949:
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Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.

Being young is ont thing. Being young you means have players that you can pick out that you want to develop and get time. There IS a thing as too much youth (look at the Clippers circa '98-an example I have pointed out roughly a million times before as my biggest fear that the Knicks will turn into). When you have too much youth that demands time to develop you eventually will develop none of it. Also, when you want to go young you usually have older plaers that don't warrent the time over your young guys.

I would agree, but the Clips didn't have as much promise as we do with this bunch. Frye, Lee and Nate are already being talked about as starters and starters that can make a difference in games situations. Crawford, Woods and if we get Jeffries are alreaady proven abilities, although it may sound a little like the verdict is still out there on Jefferies so far, but we'll see. Curry could be another one, young, but finally getting his game together.Most of these guys are athletic and Zeke is obviously trying to put together a defensive type team, with the additiions of Balkman and Collins aboard. What we have in our youth is depth'. In other words, If we can get three or four of these guys to star for our team (and what I mean by that is, pull some pretty good numbers, live up to what they can do), then that would be a great thing and the youth movement will definately pay off.

All in all, I'd rather take a chance on a youth movement, then a bunch of under achieving, over paid vets. At least you can see what you have, before those big contract times come up and you can have an option of either dumping or trading a young guy if it isn't working out. With a vet (example: Marbury, James, Francis) they make a lot of money with guaranteed contracts and if they don't work, your stuck with them. Give me youth any day.

Bro the Clips had INFINITLY more talent than we did. In 2002 they had Quentin, Maggette, Miles, Odom, Brand, Jaric, Dooling, Olowakandi, Boykins, and McInnis on one team. Now they only have Brand and Maggette and they just made the playoffs for the first time.

So they just made the playoffs and your calling it talent? Point is, we don't know what we have yet, but we do have promise. This could be real, compared to what was not real in Clip land. In other words, if we have a gem in our young talent, then obviously, the Clips were never the real deal, but we'll have to wait and see what our guys do first.
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8/2/2006  6:00 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.

Being young is ont thing. Being young you means have players that you can pick out that you want to develop and get time. There IS a thing as too much youth (look at the Clippers circa '98-an example I have pointed out roughly a million times before as my biggest fear that the Knicks will turn into). When you have too much youth that demands time to develop you eventually will develop none of it. Also, when you want to go young you usually have older plaers that don't warrent the time over your young guys.

I would agree, but the Clips didn't have as much promise as we do with this bunch. Frye, Lee and Nate are already being talked about as starters and starters that can make a difference in games situations. Crawford, Woods and if we get Jeffries are alreaady proven abilities, although it may sound a little like the verdict is still out there on Jefferies so far, but we'll see. Curry could be another one, young, but finally getting his game together.Most of these guys are athletic and Zeke is obviously trying to put together a defensive type team, with the additiions of Balkman and Collins aboard. What we have in our youth is depth'. In other words, If we can get three or four of these guys to star for our team (and what I mean by that is, pull some pretty good numbers, live up to what they can do), then that would be a great thing and the youth movement will definately pay off.

All in all, I'd rather take a chance on a youth movement, then a bunch of under achieving, over paid vets. At least you can see what you have, before those big contract times come up and you can have an option of either dumping or trading a young guy if it isn't working out. With a vet (example: Marbury, James, Francis) they make a lot of money with guaranteed contracts and if they don't work, your stuck with them. Give me youth any day.

Bro the Clips had INFINITLY more talent than we did. In 2002 they had Quentin, Maggette, Miles, Odom, Brand, Jaric, Dooling, Olowakandi, Boykins, and McInnis on one team. Now they only have Brand and Maggette and they just made the playoffs for the first time.

So they just made the playoffs and your calling it talent? Point is, we don't know what we have yet, but we do have promise. This could be real, compared to what was not real in Clip land. In other words, if we have a gem in our young talent, then obviously, the Clips were never the real deal, but we'll have to wait and see what our guys do first.

You're saying the Clips didn' have talent back then?!?!? Your confusing talent and potential with performance. Q2 had more talent and potential than anyone on this team when he was here. In my opinion, now Curry has the most talent on the team now, but I would still put him behind Odom, Miles, Maggette, and Brand of those Clippers.
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8/2/2006  8:31 AM
No, we must blame Larry Brown! Larry Brown causes the Knicks players to quit. LB will be the reason we don't win this year! ... and next!!! ... and next!!!! Even though he's not here, it must be him, because it's not the players and it's not Isiah!!!!! Down with LB!!!!!!! Down with fascist dictator coaches with voodoo dolls who curse our team!!!!!!! DOWN!!!!!!!!!! Marbury and Francis = Earl and Monroe!!!!!!!!!!! Curry = Ewing!!!!!!!!!!!!! Frye = Duncan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Balkman = Rodman + Artest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nate = Shorter MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, this team is golden, and so any failure will be due to LB, for the next 10 years.

I agree.

Seriously, I think that whatever happens to the Knicks from now on is obviously not LB's fault, although he wasted a year that could have been used to see what this team could really do. I am sure everyone is tired of the LB debate, but I will say this. The Knicks could not get him to shutup during the season, but now that he has $40 million on the line, he is not saying a word. Just makes you think.
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8/2/2006  8:46 AM
My problem with the whole LB thing is simple. Because people hate LB they make it okay for the team to completely quit on us. I don't think that way. LB is gone. All the excuses for laziness and lack of D were LB's fault apparently. So I don't want to hear his name anymore. He is gone. Now the players are all going to play their arses off. They have no more excuses. I don't care if LB made a bazillion excuses last year. He is gone now so it's irrelevant. The players are here. It's time for them to step up and produce for me, THE FAN!!!! Not for the friggin coach.
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8/2/2006  9:11 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

My problem with the whole LB thing is simple. Because people hate LB they make it okay for the team to completely quit on us. I don't think that way. LB is gone. All the excuses for laziness and lack of D were LB's fault apparently. So I don't want to hear his name anymore. He is gone. Now the players are all going to play their arses off. They have no more excuses. I don't care if LB made a bazillion excuses last year. He is gone now so it's irrelevant. The players are here. It's time for them to step up and produce for me, THE FAN!!!! Not for the friggin coach.

Word Bip, mods should be able to delete references to LB because the point is moot.
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8/2/2006  9:20 AM
Players we should not move at all costs are Frye, Lee, Balkman, everyone else should considered expendable......

Nate is a scorer with an agenda, Manny being Manny, Nate being Nate, he is trying to promote his brand....we really don't need hotdogs on the court the kid is marketable therefor valuable for a team looking to sell tickets we should let him play up his value and move him......

Crawford we should do the same with an expiring contract, we should have no plans to put him in the starting lineup ever, he is a good sixth man if thats not his role on this team than we should do what we can so we are not tied into the deal.....

I have no problem alienating the vetrans and keeping James, Mo, Malik all on the inactive list if we sign jefferies then collins will never play, and nate should not get more than 15 a game......

And the comparision to Oakly and Mason not being able to block shots therefor they were not good defenders although sarcastic was just terrible, defense is not something that is hard to do that is why those guys were able to do it, by outworking something this ****ing team has no idea how to do, if we could get the foucs off tats and jewels and more focus on fundamental basketball this team should give everyone a run for there money........

thats why you will never win **** with Marbury, Nate, Crawford or Francis
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8/2/2006  11:20 PM
I don't think Crawford should be on that list. I think he's turning into a very mature, capable leader. Hopefully Nate can check his ego, if he can't he should go. But I love Craw for this team. Marbury and Nate are iffy. Francis is a definite cancer.

As for Jared Jefferies - any new update? I'd still like the versatility he'd bring, but I still think Washington will match.

but, I like this rotation a lot (only problem is Francis, Jalen, MoT and Jerome and Malik are stll here), but there's a lot of athletic versatility on this roster:

Marbury, Crawford, Collins
QRich, Nate, Crawford
Jefferies, Balkman, QRich
Frye, Lee, Jefferies
Curry, Frye, James
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8/2/2006  11:29 PM
Posted by MS:

Players we should not move at all costs are Frye, Lee, Balkman, everyone else should considered expendable......

Nate is a scorer with an agenda, Manny being Manny, Nate being Nate, he is trying to promote his brand....we really don't need hotdogs on the court the kid is marketable therefor valuable for a team looking to sell tickets we should let him play up his value and move him......

Crawford we should do the same with an expiring contract, we should have no plans to put him in the starting lineup ever, he is a good sixth man if thats not his role on this team than we should do what we can so we are not tied into the deal.....

I have no problem alienating the vetrans and keeping James, Mo, Malik all on the inactive list if we sign jefferies then collins will never play, and nate should not get more than 15 a game......

And the comparision to Oakly and Mason not being able to block shots therefor they were not good defenders although sarcastic was just terrible, defense is not something that is hard to do that is why those guys were able to do it, by outworking something this ****ing team has no idea how to do, if we could get the foucs off tats and jewels and more focus on fundamental basketball this team should give everyone a run for there money........

thats why you will never win **** with Marbury, Nate, Crawford or Francis


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8/3/2006  10:10 PM
I don't think it's been posted yet, but Wizards just signed DeShawn Stevenson to the league minimum. Washington still has plenty of room, but could be a sign they simply decided to replace JJ for cheap.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2538921
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8/3/2006  10:15 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I don't think it's been posted yet, but Wizards just signed DeShawn Stevenson to the league minimum. Washington still has plenty of room, but could be a sign they simply decided to replace JJ for cheap.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2538921

huh. nice catch.

I'd say this makes it less likely that the Wizards match. Caron Butler slides over to SF, and Stevenson and Daniels can split time at SG. not to mention Jarvis Hayes will be healthy and can play SG and SF.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 03-08-2006 10:23 PM]
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8/3/2006  10:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Balkman is untouchable? Cool!

Would you trade a rich man's Artest, Rodman and Sprewell mesh? Come on!! 87 regular season wins this year, baby!!
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8/3/2006  10:21 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I don't think it's been posted yet, but Wizards just signed DeShawn Stevenson to the league minimum. Washington still has plenty of room, but could be a sign they simply decided to replace JJ for cheap.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2538921

article basically says that the Wizards won't match:
The Knicks made Jeffries a five-year, $30 million offer that the Wizards have until Monday to match. Several sources familiar with the Wizards' thinking believe that they are leaning against matching the offer due to luxury tax concerns. Matching the Knicks offer would put the Wizards over the luxury tax threshold.
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8/5/2006  1:27 AM
Then he's ours and it's official.
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Ah... It's been about a year since Jared join this historical franchise. I thought it would be fun to look back at what some of your favorite posters thought about the signing and compare it to their most recent posts. Should be fun.
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8/2/2007  11:34 AM
I was very for the Jeffries signing and I still think he can be a very useful player if he is used right.

Problem is, I don't know if theres room for him now with the emergence of Balkman and the drafting of Chandler.
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Posted by Pharzeone:

Ah... It's been about a year since Jared join this historical franchise. I thought it would be fun to look back at what some of your favorite posters thought about the signing and compare it to their most recent posts. Should be fun.

How do you look up such old threads?
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Posted by Panos:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Ah... It's been about a year since Jared join this historical franchise. I thought it would be fun to look back at what some of your favorite posters thought about the signing and compare it to their most recent posts. Should be fun.

How do you look up such old threads?

I just learned from Bonn to bookmark the ones that you are interested in.
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Posted by VDesai:

When I watch Jared Jeffries I see a bad player. I'm shocked that so many love him on this board. I think we'll regret this one.


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