Originally posted by Bonn1997:

Originally posted by Solace:

Originally posted by fishmike:

Originally posted by McK1:

34 million for the right to draft Renaldo Balkman.

ISiah in a nutshell

Exactly. That's what I posted in the draft thread. Factor in Balkman's three years guaranteed, and it's over $40 million (after luxury tax) for a Renaldo Balkman. Not bad. If Balkman is worth over $13 million a year, I think Big Snacks contract doesn't look so bad anymore.

If you want to be that technical, you've gotta subtract AD's $14 mil and the $3 mil cash considerations we got. Then I guess it's around $6 mil per for 4 years. That's probably the most efficient use of money Isiah has ever gotten! (Not sure that's much of a compliment though!)

Um, wrong. Antonio Davis's contract expired a year earlier than Jalen Roses. I'll help you with the math.

($17 million for 2006-2007 + $1.2 million (approx) * 3) * 200% (luxury tax) = $41.2 million (approx)

Antonio Davis is already off the books for Toronto. That's WHY they did the trade!

Originally posted by fishmike:

I'm sure the guy will be a good player. He's an unskilled hustle guy though, and there were more valuable pieces on the board. I like RB, but he's only usefull to us. What are we doing with the rest of the roster? Are Collins and RB better than QWoods? Because we have 16 right now.
I think at the very worst a pass first PG rated one of the best on the board could have been a nice piece to include with some of our cap fodder in a trade.
But since we are must win now, have a lame duck coach/GM, no wing defenders, and no MLE or LLE (Dolan's words) ISiah HAD to use this pick to get this role player.
I'm sure he will be OK, but as usual we operated in a vacuum and didnt even attempt to be creative in finding ways to improve a 23 win team

What worries me is I think this was Isiah's attempt at being "creative".

who here thought Saer Sne would go at TEN?

SFX: crickets

The only question about Balkman is NOT WHERE he was selected -



The only question is CAN he play winning basketball?

Who here thinks Balkman will NOT be the first man in the ring is a tussle breaks out?

You guys need your diapers changed because your all pissed over the Balkman pick !! Get over it !!

#1 = Everyone here agreed we needed perimeter defense, well we got it
in Balkman and Collins !!

#2 = Everyone here stated that IT would blow the Knicks future by being selfish with the picks by trading them for high priced vets but he didn't !!

#3 = Everyone here agrees that IT's best and unquestionable ability is his ability to draft and yet you still question him !!

Posted by OngBok:

You guys need your diapers changed because your all pissed over the Balkman pick !! Get over it !!

#1 = Everyone here agreed we needed perimeter defense, well we got it
in Balkman and Collins !!

#2 = Everyone here stated that IT would blow the Knicks future by being selfish with the picks by trading them for high priced vets but he didn't !!

#3 = Everyone here agrees that IT's best and unquestionable ability is his ability to draft and yet you still question him !!

99% of this forum also thought we needed a REAL PG and the best one in the draft was available to us

Posted by s3231:

Is Renaldo 6'8 or 6'5?

"The 6-8 Balkman, selected 20th, is a long-armed, run-first super-athlete, dynamite on the open floor and dynamic on defense. The highflying small forward already loves Madison Square Garden, having won the 2006 NIT MVP Award in the Mecca with the University of South Carolina."

- http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/nykdraft_060628.html

He officially measured out at 6'6 1/2 with a 7'1" wingspan. So he's probably 6'5 without shoes, 6'6 1/2 in shoes, and with all of his his hair and exceptional wingspan he appears about 6'8"

the reason Isiah gave was that they had information that Phoenix was about to take Balkman at the #21 pick, so the Knicks decided to go ahead & take him... Phoenix ended up selling their pick for cash considerations because there were no longer anyone they were interested in left on the board... since none of us know for sure what really happened, it depends on who you choose to believe, the Knicks or ESPN commentators, who aren't involved in any of the trade talks... i'll give Isiah the benefit of the doubt until i see this Balkman kid play... from what i hear, he sounds like a JYD/Dennis Rodman style player, a guy who brings the intangibles & plays a high energy style game... we need more guys like that on this team, so i'm not gonna kill him for taking Balkman just yet... i think this team SORELY missed JYD's presence last year, & i said all along i wish they'd amnestied Mo Taylor instead... JYD on the bench in street clothes would have even been a more valuable presence to have on this team than Mo T was last year.

Posted by misterearl:

99% of this forum also thought we needed a REAL PG and the best one in the draft was available to us

first reaction for me as well was why they didn't take Marcus Williams, but the fact is we already have 4 PG's on this roster, & unless you're going to be able to trade Francis or Marbury, it would have probably been in Isiah's best interest to upgrade at a more need position...

this probably means Qyntel Woods' days as a Knick are over.

Besides

Marcus Williams' moms struck me as MORE ghetto fabulous than Allan Iverson's moms

and that's saying a lot

I'll Pass


Collins and Crawford could provide a cohesive blend of substance and style in the backcourt

but that's just me

the more you guys realize that Marbury is Isiah's boy & accept it, the better you will be to accept this pick & embrace it... there's no chance he was going to draft someone who could someday lay claim to Marbury's role on this team... he's trying to build this team AROUND Marbury... question his sanity for that maybe, but once you understand how a crazy person thinks, the more you come to understand why they do the things they do.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by s3231:

Posted by misterearl:

99% of this forum also thought we needed a REAL PG and the best one in the draft was available to us


and 99% of the forum will be jumping up and down the first time Balkman dives into the stands for a loose ball a la Charles Oakley saying, "I toild you we needed defense!"

and then 99% of the forum will say we could have had the next Mark Jackson (Marcus) running the fast break right after Balkman gets the steal and passes it to Marbury who doesn't really know how to run a fastbreak

we could have had both of them!

Marcus Williams can't hold Mark Jacksons shorts.

oohah

he could steal his laptop though