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holfresh
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6/22/2006  12:21 PM

SAS- Larry Brown didn't want to be here....
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6/22/2006  12:23 PM
It's a no brainer Bip that the person that hand picked these players is the one that will get through to them.

Still bashing huh? Still half empty...it'll be good not having to ready your waaa waaa posts when the knicks succeed...think about the year before LB...weren't you just a little happier...History is littered with teams that one coach Hated and another coach found gold in...the suns were horrible then one day they got a coach who's coaching philosophy meshed with the roster and voila...magic.

it's not about trading half the roster to accomodate a coach, it's about getting these kids to realize their full potential.

Isn't that what coaching is? Maybe you were never a coach...maybe you just played one on television.

Coaches put players in a position to succeed, they don't find out which ones suck and give up on them.
Posted by Bippity10:

"I think Thomas has a better chance at getting through to these guys and I hope he succeeds."

So this is how we operate. We are hiring coach's based on whether they can get through to the players and make them play hard. And if they can't we fire them. Great strategy.

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6/22/2006  12:24 PM
In my previous posts these are the only references to LB

"I'm glad it's over"

"This upsets me for one reason. Once again it shows that the Knicks have no long-term plan or are once again adjusting one."

"Dragging this out had nothing to do with the team and everything to do with Dolan's wallet."

Can someone explain to me in any of my posts where I support LB. Some of you guys are so obsessed with the guy that you simply make things up. I am focused on what the Knicks are going to do next. I dont' care about LB anymore than I care about Lenny or Don(I care about Herb because at the moment he is still here). Get over your obsession with the guy. This isn't about the name in the coaching seat. It's about developing a winner. And to have a winner you have to give the coach the power to run the team. Now that coach is Zeke. I 100% support him and hope the team will let him coach the team instead of coaching to avoid being fired like Lenny and Don did.

This is about your organization moving forward and some of you guys are so friggin obsessed with LB that you respond to posts that never mention him as if that person somehow is supporting him.

I also find it funny how rv called me negative and then agreed with pretty much everything I typed. He also answered my questions which obviously were legitimate questions or he wouldn't have answered them. Odd to insult someone for what they type and then agree with them and then answer the questions.
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6/22/2006  12:24 PM
Yes, please. Players like Marbury, Francis and JRose sound like an all star starting lineup to me.

Those clowns with Mourning and Shaq win a title.

Well, let me introduce to you baby mourning (frye) and baby shaq (curry).

You'd rather root for the swept in the first round Nets?
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by PresIke:

Wow...

B Tierney on 1050 ESPN:

Larry Brown met with Mills, Dolan, etc. and asked about what players would be "deleted" from the roster, and Dolan said enough you're fired.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-22-2006 12:01 PM]

For Knicks fans it would be better off if Brown was here becuase he'd the choice would be with him and the malcontents would be gone. How can some of you not see that? Players like Marbury, Francis, Rose are not good for this team or ANY TEAM for that matter!



Please clarify that, which Knick fans....


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6/22/2006  12:24 PM


Larry Brown contacted teams and tried to propose trades on his own...They fired him for just cause...He violated terms of his contract...It's on Stern's desk now...
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6/22/2006  12:25 PM
ofcourse he's not listening, he not interested in the knicks succeeding anymore, he'd rather prove a point by them sucking.
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bippity10:

"I think Thomas has a better chance at getting through to these guys and I hope he succeeds."

So this is how we operate. We are hiring coach's based on whether they can get through to the players and make them play hard. And if they can't we fire them. Great strategy.



Bip I hope you are listening to 1050 ESPN...I hearing Larry was changing the same play 4 times in a week...I hope you are listening Bip....


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6/22/2006  12:25 PM
Posted by Rich:

Larry shouldn't get another dollar.

And he should have to return every dollar he stole from the team last year.
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6/22/2006  12:26 PM
Isola has been spun by Larry's camp.
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6/22/2006  12:27 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Exactly, browns' way would have been another 23 win season or two...you think brown would have stayed around for it to get better? I mean, do you think he was really going to stay around for 4 years?
Posted by Rich:

SAS: Dolan wanted to fix this mess, and Larry wanted Steph, Francis, and Rose to go. (Two of which he wanted).


Rvhoss: Who am I bashing in that post? Zeke or management? Do you know the answer to that question? My issue is with an organization that continues to bring in the same type of players year after year and then fires the coach when they can't GET THROUGH TO THEM. So my question to you is this. Let's play devil's advocate. I call it thinking about a plan and preparing for something that could happen(you call it bashing???) but allow me to ask the question anyway. What if(notice I said what if, didn't say it will happen) Isiah struggles to get through to the players. What's the plan at that point? What would you do as GM if that was the case.
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6/22/2006  12:28 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Yes, please. Players like Marbury, Francis and JRose sound like an all star starting lineup to me.

Those clowns with Mourning and Shaq win a title.

Well, let me introduce to you baby mourning (frye) and baby shaq (curry).

You'd rather root for the swept in the first round Nets?
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by PresIke:

Wow...

B Tierney on 1050 ESPN:

Larry Brown met with Mills, Dolan, etc. and asked about what players would be "deleted" from the roster, and Dolan said enough you're fired.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-22-2006 12:01 PM]

For Knicks fans it would be better off if Brown was here becuase he'd the choice would be with him and the malcontents would be gone. How can some of you not see that? Players like Marbury, Francis, Rose are not good for this team or ANY TEAM for that matter!



Please clarify that, which Knick fans....




Bro, I'm not sure if I'm more happy I'm heading to the Caribbean for 2 weeks or Larry is finally gone...

SAS- surprises me...He's a Larry lover as well....He is pissed....



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-22-2006 12:29 PM]
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6/22/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by holfresh:


SAS- Larry Brown didn't want to be here....



seems like that was the case from day 1 - so why did he even bother? he just wanted the payday.
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6/22/2006  12:29 PM
yeah, ignore me. positivity is contageous, you may actually say something like...

"the knicks are going to prove everyone wrong this year"
or
"the plan is to rebuild through youth and athleticism"
or
"hey, wait a minute, maybe zeke has a plan and larry just didn't believe in it"
or
"it's only been 3 years and I'm more excited about this team then I've been since camby and spreewell"
or something that seems like you are Rooting as opposed to expecting misery.

Fans root, regardless of how dark the waters seem.

Did you ever see Major league? The detroit tigers this year are in first place, last year they SUCKED.
Look at the Mets...in one season after acquiring questionable contracts, they are well ahead in first place.

To act like there is no possible way for the knicks to play well is preposterous (sp?) and I'm won't stand for it.

These are the knicks...the team that has won with even less talent.
Posted by nyk4ever:

Bip, just ignore him. The only thing he does is troll people on whether they are fans or not by his defition. Who cares what he thinks. We're all Knicks fans here.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-22-2006 12:16 PM]

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6/22/2006  12:30 PM
I am SOOOOOO GLAD that LB is gone. Really I can't understand how ANYONE can defend how he ran this team last year. Tell me what he did that wasn't an outright embarrassment to this franchise? He started making negative comments about the roster in CAMP! He never gave this team a chance.

NOW we have Isiah coaching and basically we know he likes this team and will continue to try and make it BETTER. He's known to be good with young players and that's what we need. This is about the future not the past. We have a good base of young talent and IT will add more to that and get rid of the pieces that don't fit.
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6/22/2006  12:30 PM
Remember, we were not the joke of the league before Brown got here.
Posted by Knicksfan:

One problem down, many more to go. THose that will miss Larry Brown are either nuts or just didn't see anything that happened last season. The Knicks have become the joke of the NBA and someday they had to start cleaning up the mess, and there was no way that Larry Brown should've been brought back after all his questionable coaching and all the terrible soap opera about the players and his comments on the media. We are a better team right now just for having him gone, no matter how "Hall of Fame" great he is.

Next up in line is Isiah. This is now his time to deliver or to be fired for good. Its a win-win situation for the franchise. As for Dolan, lets start the process with the protest at MSG and we'll see what happens.

This is still a terrible mess and we are still a joke, but with Brown down, we rid ourselves of many, MANY problems...

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6/22/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by Rich:

Isola has been spun by Larry's camp.

Larry is no longer Knicks news.

I'm looking forward to the Lawrence piece on matters and Vecsey's insight.
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6/22/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

In plain print Bip, LB is gone, stop believing his bullcrap.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/428851p-361625c.html
Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee are all expected to play for the Knicks' entry in the Vegas Summer League, and it is highly unlikely - not to mention counterproductive - to have a lame duck coach running the practices. Dolan and Thomas felt that Brown had a negative influence on many players last season, chief among them Frye and Robinson. Assistant coach Herb Williams is expected to coach the summer-league team.

the one's that played hard and will continue to play hard.
Posted by Bippity10:

It's ironic because if you take Curry out of the mix the guys you listed were the only guys to play hard for Larry all year long. Don't remember Larry bashing that group.
I'd agree with that. Playing lousy players ahead of Frye certainly looked like it hurt his confidence, especially on jumpshots. I think you'll see Isiah play on those who play hard. No more DNP-CDs for guys like Nate and David Lee. That's the hope at least. The organization is still screwed, though, but at least we get a little enjoyment out of seeing Brown get what he deserved.

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Posted by holfresh:


SAS- Larry Brown didn't want to be here....



seems like that was the case from day 1 - so why did he even bother? he just wanted the payday.

Larry's wife calls all the shots. She wants to be very rich.
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6/22/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

You say Crap, I say young and inexperienced.

I'll take Crawford, Lee and Frye and curry with 2 to 3 more years on their careers than Jwill, Toine, Shaq and Mourning with 3 more years on their careers.

We'll be sweeping THEM out of the playoffs.

Look to the future, stop staying in the past. It's a new day for the knicks...are you with us or against us?
Posted by Bippity10:

I have a hard time comparing Isiah to Riley. The difference is that Riley set his championship caliber roster first and then coached that roster. We are trying to build from a crap team to a good one. As coach/GM of a championship caliber roster it's okay to make a risky move that you think will get you over the hump. It's your job to make moves according to your record. But as caoch of a mediocre team you can't operate this way. But as GM/coach this is going to be the way you operate because you have to save your job.

I think so many are so happy that LB is fired that they are seeing a tough situation as a good situation. I guess you have to be from out of state to truly understand how embarrassing we were before LB got here.


I don't call any of the young players crap. They all can play. Even our vets can play. When I look at the roster I think it's loaded with talent individually. But:

Maybe my standards are higher than some but when they win 23 out of 82 games I call that crap.
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6/22/2006  12:33 PM
Then he shouldn't have taken the check
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6/22/2006  12:33 PM
yep Nate will get to skywrite his name penalty free.

Isiah rules with a copper fist
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