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djsunyc
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5/14/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by fishmike:

so fire LB before he can destroy the young roster. Lets see how many wins Isiah gets out of the roster that he single handedly created.

mike wilbon at the half: knicks need a start over and firing lb is not it. you still have isiah with the same players that he thinks will respond to him. if they don't respond to a hall of fame coach like lb, how are they going to respond to isiah? it just seems like another run on the treadmill.

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5/14/2006  4:43 PM
Larry acts like a dick, so the players tuned him out.

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5/14/2006  5:00 PM
come to think of it, a while ago king1 said something about the knicks ditching brown, and hiring billy donovan as coach. ah well, I guess we may have to see just how many wins starbury can get us.
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5/14/2006  5:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

so fire LB before he can destroy the young roster. Lets see how many wins Isiah gets out of the roster that he single handedly created.

mike wilbon at the half: knicks need a start over and firing lb is not it. you still have isiah with the same players that he thinks will respond to him. if they don't respond to a hall of fame coach like lb, how are they going to respond to isiah? it just seems like another run on the treadmill.

Wilbon also said before the game, that the Knicks didn't do their homework with Brown saying this is his MO, and actually warned GS and Sac about running to him. I stand by what I said Brown has coached over 25+ years and he can honestly say that he left only 3 cities on neutral terms. At basically only the Pacers job was the only true amicable spot. Maybe Dolan asked him that age old firing question. "Do you really want to be here?" Maybe he said no. Like Pat Croce said that Brown is a jerk, he should make him honor the contract and fine him according.
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5/14/2006  5:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

so fire LB before he can destroy the young roster. Lets see how many wins Isiah gets out of the roster that he single handedly created.
I'll predict 34 if they start next season with this same roster. Of course, if LB got this roster next year to win 34 it would be viewed as a "beautiful 11 game improvement."
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5/14/2006  5:52 PM
It is a real damn shame that Brown gets away with this crap.
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5/14/2006  5:56 PM
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5/14/2006  7:44 PM
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5/14/2006  7:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:

so fire LB before he can destroy the young roster. Lets see how many wins Isiah gets out of the roster that he single handedly created.

yup. if he fails, you all get your wish.

its not like Brown is in this for the long haul anyway, and if he has short term success, Isiah will benefit. if Isiah is as bad as you say he is, this is the quickest way to get him out.

the team cannot possibly exist with the differing agendas of Brown and Isiah. and frankly, I prefer isiah's agenda.
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5/14/2006  7:47 PM
A side benefit is that the draft would be interesting again, because if Larry stays they would likely trade their picks.
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5/14/2006  7:56 PM
Posted by Rich:

A side benefit is that the draft would be interesting again, because if Larry stays they would likely trade their picks.

and Isiah wouldn't?

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5/14/2006  8:06 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Rich:

A side benefit is that the draft would be interesting again, because if Larry stays they would likely trade their picks.

and Isiah wouldn't?


Maybe to move up. For all his multiple, horrendous faults, he does seem more interested in acquiring more young talented players than Larry, who seems to want old role players.
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5/14/2006  8:21 PM
I don't trust Isiah in any fashion.

besides a good teams has a mix of both. Theo Ratliff would've helped a ton more than Jerome James.
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5/14/2006  8:31 PM
the franchise is in isiah's hands.

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5/14/2006  8:34 PM
The noble thing to do for Brown would be to re-sign. He's gonna look like a money whore if he thinks he's entitled to $40 mil from the Knicks just to leave. If he goes to the Kings, how many NBA team's payrolls will he be on next season? At least 3 I think.
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5/14/2006  8:46 PM
sports reporters recap about lb/knicks situation:

mitch albom: there's a reason why isiah thomas and lb are no-longer in detroit. b/c the owner bill davidson saw through both of them adn said "Get out of here". the owner, jim dolan does not possess that skill and has been fooled by both of them.

this has more to do with isiah since isiah is trying to save himself. if he's going back to coaching, maybe that's the only way isiah can get a job in the nba b/c he won't get one as an executive ever again for the job he mucked up here.

mike lupica: put as much as of this on brown as you want to. all the starting lineups. all the back and forth with the press. all the acting out. ok. the idea that dolan would select isiah thomas over lb after the job he's done here shows you why the knicks are the biggest single mess in professional sports. and we're going to find out, if this story is true, just how big a fool dolan is as an owner.

bob ryan: i just want to know where larry fell down in terms of scouting report. did he not have any idea about the ineptitude of the dolans, and how they ran msg,inc. to the ground with both teams and that isiah is a quality professional to work for. i know going back home was a romantic notion for lb but he did not do his homework.

albom: i think the lure to coach back in ny, the pay day, to coach in madison square garden - it laid itself out perfectly for him. except the only problem is that he didn't have any players or the management behind him.

lupica: and he did something dumb. he believed isiah would change the players and i don't think he had any intention of doing that. "he likes them"
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5/14/2006  8:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The noble thing to do for Brown would be to re-sign. He's gonna look like a money whore if he thinks he's entitled to $40 mil from the Knicks just to leave. If he goes to the Kings, how many NBA team's payrolls will he be on next season? At least 3 I think.


noble?

first, this could be a total fabrication. we'll have to hear from the knicks tomorrow, whether they confirm or deny this rumor. secondly, if this is true, it looks like dolan and isiah want him gone. why in the hell would he fork over $40 mil? that's why they're guaranteed contracts. players get their money no matter what. so should the coach.

btw, how many coaches are the knicks currently paying? lenny, herb, and lb. is chaney still on the payroll too?

maybe isiah should do the noble thing and go back to chicago and coach some junior high school team. it's the only place he won't get booed.

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5/14/2006  8:50 PM
Posted by McK1:

I don't trust Isiah in any fashion.

besides a good teams has a mix of both. Theo Ratliff would've helped a ton more than Jerome James.

That ship has sailed.

The situation with the Knicks is awful. We can only hope that either: a) Isiah is smarter than we think and he can get these players to work and become a cohesive unit; and if not: b) Dolan realizes that a complete purge is necessary (ideally including Dolan himself).
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5/14/2006  8:58 PM
Once again Bonn and Holfresh struggle to see the forest through the trees. This isn't about LB any more than it was about Don Chaney, or Lenny or Herb. I will not shed one tear for Larry just like I didn't shed a tear for the others. You will also hear me defend Isiah as coach as vigorusly as you heard me defend LB and Don and Lenny and Herb. Why?

IT's simple. By firing each cooach every year it just shows as an organization that we don't have a plan. This has never been abot LB, it's been about a horrible, horrible organization that does the saem things over and over again and fools the fans every year. Guess what LB will be gone, Isiah will be our new savior(with a deadline) and we will be predicting win totals in October yet again because of the promise of a new savior.

This organization needs a plan. Which means at least 3-5 years. Which means hire a GM with a vision. Have that GM hire a coach that fits that vision. Then make moves for players that fit that coach's style. Then wait the necessary 3-5 years to turn it around. We refuse to do this. Instead we fire coach's every year because we don't want to build we want luck. We want a savior to come in and make it all better instead of earning our stripes.

The good news is if Isiah coach's we all know that we got the first step out of the way. WE know we at least have a coach and a GM on the same page. The sad news is that Isiah would be at the players mercy as well. He would be another coach without power coaching against an ultimatum. The players would once again be running the show. If they don't like the way Zeke is running things they can just lay down and stop playing until he gets fired for losing the players. The cycle continues. Impotent coach after impotent coach.

Once again, I don't care who the coach is. The name means nothing to me. But I do know that in order to win we have to have a coach with power. Until we as an organization decides this is important it will just be another name replacing "John Doe" during another offseason

I just hope that people will like me
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5/14/2006  8:58 PM
I would buy the poor Brown thing but the man now will be fired for the second straight year. Something is so phuck up about that.
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Knicks may buy out Larry Brown

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