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12/30/2005  12:18 PM
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Man I loved the way he worked it against Orlando. 29 and 9 in what, 20-something minutes? Really stood up to Howard. Even hit a bunch of FT's. Please keep it up.
Also interesting that he reinjured himself on the alley-oop. It was a strange play - Jamal threw it flat-footed and with a pretty low arc, I thought Eddy did a great job of converting it, but the timing was awkward from the beginning.

Just for the record, this may be the first time I've praised Eddy Curry in my life.

Curry was a beast against the Magic, I think its a good sign of things to come when he can get on the floor and doesnt have to worry about nagging injuries. This is the reason Isiah acquired him and to anyone that says he'll never stay on the court for an extended period of time - I'll never put anything past a 23 year old.

He shows up once every week or 2 and people claim that that's why it was a good deal no matter what we gave him. So what about the games where he doesn't show up or is too injured to play which outnumber the games where he plays very well?

I think its a great sign that your starting center can dominate Dwight Howard during a game. Curry's had a bad streak of nagging injuries and once the training staff is able to work with him when he's not injured then he'll be able to work the kinks out with his conditioning.

He was "dominating" Battie and Cato, not Howard.
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12/30/2005  12:19 PM
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The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.

This guy has injury prone written all over him, especially as he gets older. He's way too heavy and out of shape and he doesn't have the work ethic to change that. Being constantly out of shape is going to lead to injury after injury, especially to his legs which can't take the pounding. This isn't a one year problem, it will be an ongoing theme.

You don't think that the Knicks training staff knows this? They will work with him but he's been injured with a calf problem since training camp since he wasn't allowed to workout all that much in the offseason. A injured calf will drastically hamper your ability to work on your stamina.

That's the misconception. He was allowed to workout. He just wasn't allowed to play basketball.

I know for a fact there is a difference between in-shape and being in basketball-shape. If you try and do vice-versa it never works that well.
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12/30/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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The guy HAS to get into shape and he has to also read some books or something to get smarter. If he doesn't get in shape, those injuries are gonna come a lot more and sooner in between. And if he doesn't get his head outta his ars, he's still gonna get 12 offensive fouls a game and not learn defense.

This guy has injury prone written all over him, especially as he gets older. He's way too heavy and out of shape and he doesn't have the work ethic to change that. Being constantly out of shape is going to lead to injury after injury, especially to his legs which can't take the pounding. This isn't a one year problem, it will be an ongoing theme.

You don't think that the Knicks training staff knows this? They will work with him but he's been injured with a calf problem since training camp since he wasn't allowed to workout all that much in the offseason. A injured calf will drastically hamper your ability to work on your stamina.

The Bulls have a training staff as well don't they? They can't make him stay in shape, they can't make him come to camp in shape. They can't stop him from eating. At some point it's on him to be a professional and keep himself in the condition that he needs to be in.

His calf had nothing to do with him not coming into camp out of shape.
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12/30/2005  12:24 PM
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It's sad really. NY is all about playing hard, leaving it all out on the court, and not taking **** from anyone.

Judging by that quote, you would THINK that having good basketball players means nothing. Yeah, playing hard and leaving it all on the court is fine and dandy, but I don't see our guys slacking for the most part. I just see them not having a clue on how to play basketball, and if they learn, you're going to be saying "We have the hardest working team in the NBA. Proud to be a Knicks fan!"


I'd rather have John Starks than Marbury.

I'd rather have Oak than Curry.


I'd rather have the hard-pipin niggaz at Rucker Park than the team we have now.

"Talent" and "potential" can only get you so far. As a fan, I'd rather see guys diving after loose balls and playing their heart out instead of your everyday Eddy Currys and Jeromes James and Stephon Marburys moping around.

That's what defined the 90's for us. And Layden and Isiah, in 1 fell swoop, have dashed that 2 pieces.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/30/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:


His calf had nothing to do with him not coming into camp out of shape.

Well thats where we differ.

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12/30/2005  12:29 PM
Bobs, You ever see Marbury play at the Rucker?
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12/30/2005  12:31 PM
John Starks and Oakley would be just another underachieving made fun of role player on this current team. We loved them because they played next to Patrick. Without him and a good roster that allowed them to play their roles they weren't very good players. Kind of like all the guys on our team
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12/30/2005  12:31 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
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It's sad really. NY is all about playing hard, leaving it all out on the court, and not taking **** from anyone.

Judging by that quote, you would THINK that having good basketball players means nothing. Yeah, playing hard and leaving it all on the court is fine and dandy, but I don't see our guys slacking for the most part. I just see them not having a clue on how to play basketball, and if they learn, you're going to be saying "We have the hardest working team in the NBA. Proud to be a Knicks fan!"


I'd rather have the hard-pipin niggaz at Rucker Park than the team we have now.

um, thats where marbs plays....
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12/30/2005  12:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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His calf had nothing to do with him not coming into camp out of shape.

Well thats where we differ.

He had all summer to come into camp in shape then he had an entire month of training camp to get into basketball shape.
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12/30/2005  12:32 PM
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12/30/2005  12:33 PM
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His calf had nothing to do with him not coming into camp out of shape.

Well thats where we differ.

He had all summer to come into camp in shape then he had an entire month of training camp to get into basketball shape.

Isles. We differ on it. Period. You see it one way and I see it a different way.
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12/30/2005  12:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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His calf had nothing to do with him not coming into camp out of shape.

Well thats where we differ.

He had all summer to come into camp in shape then he had an entire month of training camp to get into basketball shape.

Isles. We differ on it. Period. You see it one way and I see it a different way.

Where do we differ? You said being in shape and being in basketball shape are different. I took that into account. Unless you don't think 1 full month is enough time to get into basketball shape assuming you be professional and come into camp in half decent shape to begin with.
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12/30/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by YoungSpike:

Bobs, You ever see Marbury play at the Rucker?

Explain to me why he doesn't play that way in the Garden?

Where's the heart? The hustle? The hard-nosed play?

Oh....and he plays at Rucker ****in Park b/c Fat ****in Joe pays him to.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/30/2005  12:40 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
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Bobs, You ever see Marbury play at the Rucker?

Explain to me why he doesn't play that way in the Garden?

Where's the heart? The hustle? The hard-nosed play?

Oh....and he plays at Rucker ****in Park b/c Fat ****in Joe pays him to.

ummm... he has been playing there way before the TS team. i don't think Fat Joe has as much money as Steph
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12/30/2005  12:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

John Starks and Oakley would be just another underachieving made fun of role player on this current team. We loved them because they played next to Patrick. Without him and a good roster that allowed them to play their roles they weren't very good players. Kind of like all the guys on our team


Starks? That consistant emotionally level bastion of stabililty would go well next to Marbs.

Oak? See Malik Rose. Other than Slapping dudes that owe him jack, he is 7/8ths the player. BUt Oak is old now, so its moot.

Funny, if you take oak, you gotta take back Ward, Childs, Harper, smith, and the rest.


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12/30/2005  1:00 PM
Oak was a rebounding thug who did all the dirty work that allowed Patrick to focus upon scoring and leading the team. He was a major key and possibly the key to our finals runs............Without Patrick, Oak would be another undersized PF with an inconsistent jumpshot and no post up game who fouls everyone in sight.
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12/30/2005  1:02 PM
With Patrick and Oak, Starks was a fiery competitor who took on the other teams star and overachieved by sheer will. Sure he could go cold but when he got hot he could rip the heart out of the other team.

Without Patrick Starks is just another one-dimensional inconsistent shooter that can't lead his team anywhere.
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12/30/2005  1:04 PM
Players are much better when placed in the roles that there skills and mindsets are suited for. Asking Marbury to run the offense and dish and create perfect scoring opportunities for our wings. And lead this team to a title is like asking Oakley, or Starks or Charlie or Howard or Steve Francis to do the same. This is not the role they are suited for. But all are contributors that can shine when placed in the proper role.

I don not hate Marbury for having management in capable of putting together a roster that can help utilize his skills.
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12/30/2005  1:05 PM
I do not hate Malik for this either. Or AD, or David Lee or Trevor etc
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12/30/2005  1:09 PM
Posted by YoungSpike:

ummm... he has been playing there way before the TS team. i don't think Fat Joe has as much money as Steph

I wouldn't know b/c I'm not exactly a "fan" of Steph's, but if what you say is true, I'll repeat my question --

Where's the heart, the hustle, the hard-nosed play?

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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