Posted by Killa4luv:
SU, the newspapers were written for guys like you. Both LB and Steph had gone on record saying that Steph made that request weeks before it was reported in the papers and that it was no big deal. They plaster it on the back page and it becomes a big deal to you. You have responded to each article about the 'drama' between them even before the season started and have concocted one wild theory after another all of them with the same plot: Steph gets traded, Jamal starts at the point. I think the writers are mainly clueless, and you are being sucked in by the hysteria that comes with being a knick fanatic.
You said you would rather us lose and Steph score less points. Thats what YOU said. You don't like him. You think Jamal is the man and see his occasional good play as a clear indication that he is something more than an inconsistant scorer and defensive liability. I think LB's offense is ill-suited, not only for Steph, but for this whole team except Eddy Curry. LB's rigid insistance on there only being one right way is a big part of the reason why this team looks how it does.
It is hard to take anything you say about Marbury seriously when you:
a) think Jamal is better pg than Steph.
b) you take any occasional good game from Jamal as a sign that he should be the starting PG.
c) you & others harp on the 6 or 7 times that the team has done better with Steph on the bench, which can only imply that you think the team is better without him.
d) you actually talk about Steph wearing a towel on his head while he's on the bench.
e) you still think Jamal's preseason PGing is an indication of something grand.
f) you fail to SEE anything that contradicts your pre-concieved notions about Steph and Jamal.
g) you said you would rather have loss the portland game with Steph taking less shots, than won it with Steph going 27 and 7.
h) You want him gone after every loss regardless of how good he plays or how bad others play, and are quiet as mouse when your boy Jamal scores 0 points.
i) You are quiet on Jamals allergic reaction to defense.
I mean, do you watch Jamal out there on defense? I honestly have not seen an imporvement defensively think he more than any other player, is the reason we are losing. He is inconsistant and if he brought it more nights he and Steph could beat teams. Because his defense is probably the worst on our entire team (or maybe ahead of Channing) he doesn't start and when he plays swingmen KILL us! I do not start a million threads bashing him and demanding him to be traded. He plays like he is scared to touch another player on either end of the court. But he seems like a really sweet guy so I guess its ok for him to suck 4 out of every 5 games.
I really can't take any of what you are saying very seriously.
just b/c i come from a peaceful people, you try to come at me and don't expect a response?
i can just see you just shaking your head after everyone of my posts. hilarious.
but allow me to introduce myself...1. i never said jamal is a better pg. i have never said jamal is a better player. i NEVER said jamal is the "man." but i have said our offense seems to run better with jamal running the point. and i've ALWAYS said that i have no idea if jamal is our pg of the future but i'd rather invest time in him to see if he can do it. if not, then get rid of him also. i also know where jamal is developmentally in his career. he's 25 and was nothing but this raw talent and a jock UNTIL this year. he has grown the most under lb and that's undeniable...and most of all, that's encouraging. he has his share of bad games but i know he is still learning this game. yup, so yes, if steph gets traded, then yes, jamal is the point. and i'm willing to try that out, why? b/c we should be F'N REBUILDING ALREADY. and i'd rather do it with the 25 & younger crew.
but don't take my word on why i think we should try jamal out, take lb's:
According to Brown, the one Knick whose performance has been beyond question of late is Crawford. "Jamal is trying to everything he possibly can," said the coach. "He is scoring, he is running the club, he is doing everything we ask of him and doing it the right way." Both LB and Steph had gone on record saying that Steph made that request weeks before it was reported in the papers and that it was no big deal
2. yes they did. but saying it weeks before the season and then being denied is also different from saying it agian in the middle of a road trip after a game where steph was "shown up" by kobe and out of frustration. how many times has lb said "this team has no head. we have all these young guys out there having to bring us back. but nobody to steer the ship." how can you not take that as direct comments at steph?
3. the win vs. portland did not sit well with me b/c it was clear that steph was in score first mode. and with telfair in the house, you knew it was coming. and at that point in the season, i would've rather we kept playing the way we were and LOST b/c we were still in our initial stages of trying to learn the system. that's why i said if steph scored less and we still lost, i would've accepted it...BASED ON THAT POINT IN THE SEASON.
You don't like him. You think Jamal is the man and see his occasional good play as a clear indication that he is something more than an inconsistant scorer and defensive liability.
4. you don't like jamal. you think steph is the man and see his 20&8 as a clear indication that he is something more than a hollow stat padder and defensive liability. please killa, tell me exactly how steph is better than any other guard we have defensively. show me EXACTLY how much better he guards the pick and roll better than jamal. b/c i don't see that big a difference...they both suck at it.
I think LB's offense is ill-suited, not only for Steph, but for this whole team except Eddy Curry.
5. sure you do. b/c steph can't be the man. b/c that's worked out AMAZINGLY over his 10 year career. you know what, that 2nd unit doesn't seem to have that much trouble running it as of late. you notice that?
but wait, let me give you some stats:
Min Off Def +/-
Robinson-Crawford-Ariza-Lee-Frye 22 59 42 +17
Marbury-Crawford-Ariza-Butler-Frye 22 57 51 +6
only two of our units are in the + the entire season and it's looks like one of them seem to be ALOT better than the other. you see some common denominators between the two? here's a hint, steph ain't one of them.
You are quiet on Jamals allergic reaction to defense.
I mean, do you watch Jamal out there on defense? I honestly have not seen an imporvement defensively think he more than any other player, is the reason we are losing. He is inconsistant and if he brought it more nights he and Steph could beat teams.
6. if you haven't noticed, i don't really harp too much on any of the guys 25 and younger b/c i know they're still developing. and have you been watching the games recently? jamal is primarily playing the POINT. he is not being asked to SCORE. just watch the games. remember all those curl plays for him? hey we haven't seen that in a while, right? guess why? b/c lb is grooming him at the point. most of his shots are on kickbacks from inside. he is not playing the SG.
d) you actually talk about Steph wearing a towel on his head while he's on the bench.
6. did you just call me a towel head?
killa, YOU have made this out to be steph vs. jamal when i've always said i'd rather move steph and SEE if jamal can run it or not. if not, then trade him to. YOU are the one that's always bringing up jamal's deficiencies to argue FOR marbury. i don't know if jamal is our "answer" at the pg spot but i'm willing to give it shot, just by watching the games, watching that 2nd unit and WANTING to move on already.
you like steph and you will defend him, especially when people say bad things about him. i liked him for us initially also b/c it was a good story. a ny kid coming back home to a faltering franchise...and in his prime. but steph just wasn't good enough to do it alone...and by the recent moves by isiah, he's not bringing in people to really help steph in the here and now but he's building the team for the future. so, to me, steph is the stop gap. and if that's the case, and we're still losing, then i say forget the stop gap, at $15-20 mil/year, and move full rebuild already.
)with you: Trade Steph so Jamal can run the point. You were one of many people claiming that the offense was better when Jamal ran the point in the first half of the GS game. I was the one who corrected you all and pointed out that Steph and Jamal split duties at the pg. Without that, you all would still be singing that same song. YOu and others tried it again, when we came back and no one recognized it was aginst 2nd units. You don't rethink your strategy, you only waited for another game that would allow you to draw the same conclusion. Nate was playing against Jaque Vaughn when he hit those shots. 