Posted by toodarkmark:
It's great to see that most of this site is politically informed and not blinded by the propaganda. But for the few that are...
GoNY: You seem to have a small grasp on reality, yet claim to have the largest. Few answers and just alot of attacks on those who question. Typical of a con. You've made the sarcastic statement a few times that the world started on 1/21/01 and thats when everything went bad. I dont know how old you are but the world was MUCHHHHH different in 1/21/01 before the neo-conservative coup de tait. And dont talk about 9-11. Im someone who works in a Career Services office and the fact is jobs went to hell within months of Bush's election. The point of a conservative power base is to destroy the middle class. And they have done everything in their power to succeed, and the fact is you dont know the numbers, you just recite something you've been fed. Take it from someone's whos job it is to track jobs in this country that 9-11 affected to job market, but not as much as the neo-conservatives attempt to cripple this country financially to drive their army recruitment.
As far as politicizing it? Thats a common reponse by a sheep. Dont ask questions! Dont think! What SHOULDNT be politicized is someone have sexual indiscretions, but when the Federal Govt cuts funding for research to save its own people, stretches its resources paper thin, all for what a majority of this country and now politicians consider a senseless war, than that sure does need to be politicized.
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How old am I? Old enough to remember Clyde getting traded to Cleveland. Not that I need to answer that question for you.
So you know about jobs? Did you know that the economy was beginning to have trouble in 2000? Are you aware of the tech bubble burst of 1999-2000? A slight recession hit this country starting in 2001. The Bush economic agenda did not take affect until October of 2001. If you are as astute as YOU claim, you would know that the FEDERAL fiscal year starts in OCtober, and see the Recession started under the previous economic plan from before. And so you see it really had little to do with whom the PResident was contrary to the BS you try to feed those who are ill-informed. TOTAL EMPLOYMENT has gone up about 5 million since 01/21/01, the day the earth started spinning for you. Admittedly, CLINTON had 3 times the amount of job growth (the INTERNET boom may have had SOMETHING to do with it). Although in GWs case, the growth really has been in the last 2 years after the 2nd round of tax cuts in 02-03. Also JOBS reached a peak of 137799000 in March of 2001. Then started dropping (recession) By 9/11 - October 2001, the jobs were at 136392000 about 1.4M less. Of course, October 2001 is when the BUSH's first budget started. So economic growth or stagnation would be credited to the previous admin. After 9/11 they reached a low of 135693000 in 1/02 or another 600,000 less. So 9/11 did have an effect. On 1/2003, the jobs reached 137429000 (+1.8M) almost a complete recovery from 1/01 and today are at 142449000 (or since 9/11 +6M), net effect since 1/1/01 is again +5M.
As of this morning, more jobs were added and UNEMPLOYMENT is now at 4.9%. Can you say that these were not for middle class people?
Check the #'s: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost
So now that I have blown apart the first paragraph of your response and TAUGHT you something, lets move on to the rest.
In your opinion the war is senseless. That is fine. You are entitled to that opinion. You talk about the pre9/11 era. It was radically different. Since 9/11 the govt has decided to fight back. UNlike the 1st WTC attck in 93, this response was strong ( i wish it was stronger and still do). I am sure it is your belief that IRAQ has nothign to do with anything, but I can and have read many links between IRAQ and world wide terrorsim directed at the US. In addition, the WMD thing was a smokescreen that the US had been trying to sell us for years. Pres Clinton used the same exact words as BUsh did when talking about it as did Kerry. Let's not mention the other countries that said the same thing. DO THE RESEARCH, I HAVE. THat has all been neatly forgotten by you right?
I have a theory on why we are in IRAQ and soon to be other places in the ME. It has less to do with enriching the pockets of Bush and CHeney (they will benefit) and much more to do with securing OUR FUTURE. If you contend that this whole thing is the brainchild of some "neocons" I disagree. Since the 70's remember the first FUEL shortage and the IRANIAN hostage crisis, the GOVT has been planning ways to set up bases in the ME. It is a choice of AMERICA protecting what it needs to protect to maintain its position in the world. I believe it would have happened, regardless of who the PResident was but it makes it easier to do with another Bush in charge.
Were you against our involvement in Bosnia too? Or is it simply war that Bush got you into? We still have troops there ya know. By the way I was not against it.Would you be against troops in Africa? I stated previously my issues with BUSH. Add to that our lack of involvement in Africa and stopping the absolute horrific GENOICIDE that is going on there. Please dont read that I think we should send $$ there. The money just goes to the dicatators causing the harm. I don't, we should be sending troops but why will it not happen? i think you know that answer.
You attack me for spewing things I have heard. I think I have proved that I follow this closely and have a deep understanding of the issues but I want to ask you why are spewing the words that you do like NEOCON and COUP'de'tat? Are you just repeating what you have heard? Come on now. The cuts in funding for Louisiana for the levees had no effect on the flood. The project is only half way done as of this year. It would take another 10 years at full funding to complete! i am assuming that is what you are referencing, right?
In the end, BUSH, CLINTON, KERRY, its all the same. My repsonse were to the claims that BUSH should have done more prior to Katrina. I maintain that is just ridiculous and typcial POLITICAL Posturing by those who are out of power. If that makes me a sheep, I guess I am just joining your flock then. BAAAAAHHHH.
