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PresIke
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Joined: 7/26/2001
Member: #33
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A few things, although I've only skimmed through the posts...
1) Someone compared Israel's aquisition of land from Palestinian Arabs to America's from Native Americans as a justification for Israel's legitimacy. The problem here, which I addressed in an earlier post, is that Israel was GIVEN the land by so-called "civilized" nations who ran and still run the UN following WWII. This did not occurr in the early phases of, what some refer to as the Modern World, when there were still wooden sailing ships used to travel across the sea and most European nations had monarchies...there were democracies throughout the West at the point of Israel's creation.
America's conquering began in the 15th Century with Columbus.
Israel's creation began in the 20th Century
Native Americans were also AT LEAST given reservations, although that can't exactly be considered a great trade-off, and this was done way before Israel was created. Where was the recognition of a Palestinian when all they were doing was throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers who occupied their neighborhoods?
What about aparthied in South Africa? Why did the whites decide to give up power to black Africans a decade ago? Was the use of violence by some black South Africans a reason to decide they did not 'deserve' their own state?
2) As for the allegations that Iran's president was involved in the 1979 hostage incident, I've seen American experts believe this to be unlikely. They examined the faces, and although their are similarities, even with plastic surgery, some of the alterations are too drastic. I saw the photos compared as well, and this argumet could very well make sense. These are allegations that MAY or MAY NOT be true, none of us know for certain, however if they are or not, but it does reek of spin by the Bush administration to get Americans to hate Iran more.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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